"Seven myths about the South African economy"

Blade Nzimande - Jeremy Cronin
03 December 2008

The SACP's Blade Nzimande and Jeremy Cronin on the global economic crisis and SA

Reflections on the global economic crisis and its likely impact on South Africa

The world capitalist system is in the midst of probably its worst economic crisis since 1929. Capitalism is, of course, seldom crisis free, and there have been a series of crises over the past decade and a half. These included, for instance, the extremely grave Asian crisis of 1997-8. This latter crisis resulted in millions of job losses and deepening poverty in many Asian countries, but it was largely confined to a single region, and it proved to be of relatively short duration, thanks in no small part to continued surging growth in China. On a world-scale the global economy suffered a disruption but continued to grow.

The current crisis is different in many respects. In the first place, its epicentre is in the core zones of capitalist accumulation - the US and Europe - and it has struck at the heart of the financial system. Its knock-on impact across the globe is, therefore, much more profound. Given the intensified global interconnectivity (compared to 1929), the speed and reach of the knock-on impact is also greatly enhanced. While some economies will continue to grow (notably China) but at a much lower rate (now revised down to a possibly optimistic 7.5% for 2009 - the lowest in twenty years), large parts of the world have already entered into recession, or are poised on the brink of recession. Millions of jobs will be lost, homes repossessed, businesses liquidated and value destroyed.

Marx was the first to provide a scientific analysis of the boom-bust cycle in capitalism, which he showed to be endemic to this mode of production. Crises in capitalism can occur as a consequence of factors extraneous to the accumulation process -wars, natural disasters, social upheavals. However, under capitalism (and in contrast to earlier forms of production) wars, natural disasters or social upheavals are more likely to be the consequences of intrinsic crises within capitalism rather than the fundamental causes of the crises.

Marx showed how the cyclical pattern of booms and busts was systemically linked to the fact that capitalism - unlike socialism or earlier forms of production - is essentially production for exchange (and therefore private profit) and not for social use. In other forms of production - over-production of commodities is a cause for celebration, but under capitalism "over-production" (i.e. more than the market demands - i.e. more than can profitably be sold) triggers a break-down in the system - a crisis of over-accumulation. This, in turn, requires a massive wave of destruction of productive capacity (in the form of retrenchments, factory closures, liquidations, and stock exchange collapses), in order to "clear the ground" for the next round of capital accumulation through growth.

In recent times, economists have boasted that with effective macro-economic modelling and management, together with some inherent self-correcting capacity within capitalist accumulation, we have been able to "escape" the boom-bust cycles of capitalism. Ricardo Hausman, leader of Trevor Manuel's "Harvard Group", presented a celebrated paper in 2005 along with a fellow Harvard luminary. In it, they claimed that financial "dark matter" would prevent a big bang in the world economy. The failure to believe in this "dark matter", the authors boasted, made "analysts predict crises that, for good reason, remain elusive." All of these boasts now ring hollow.

Over the past 500 years of modern capitalism, it is possible to detect three broad variants of boom and bust, of cycles of rise and fall:

"relatively short-term cycles of around a decade or so. Globally, in the recent period the global economy has gone into a slump in 1974/5, 1980/2; 1991/3 and 2001/2. In SA the last decade of apartheid corresponded to a domestic downturn/recession and post-1994 we have seen a general economic upturn. This upturn is variously attributed to "sound economic policies", and the "political miracle", etc. While subjective factors like policies are not unimportant, and while the political settlement has been a key ingredient in this upturn, it is important to notice that this cyclical upturn has also had an underpinning of objectivity related to our particular capitalist accumulation path.. This local upturn is now likely entering into a period of several years of downturn if not actual recession. We obviously make this point, in order to prepare our defences against what is likely to be a political discourse in the coming years - blame a largely "objectively" (and externally) determined downturn on "Polokwane populism".

These shorter term cycles, and their national/regional characteristics are related to the particular features of a national/regional economy, including its positioning and insertion within the global capitalist economy, and, therefore, they are not unrelated to longer-term cycles in the world system

" These long-term cycles at a global level are sometimes called "Kondratieff" cycles - after the economist who first noted and analysed them. Over the past 500 years there has been a remarkably consistent cyclical pattern, occurring roughly over 50 year periods - with booms and growing profit occurring over a 25 year period, followed by another 25 year period or so of diminishing rates of profit, of deepening crisis and decline. The present long-term cycle in the world capitalist system began in 1945, with the upswing reaching a turning point around 1970/3. Since then, globally, we have been in a long downturn - longer than normal, partly because capitalist-aligned economists and central banks and multi-lateral institutions (like the IMF), believing that they had finally "beaten" recession forever, introduced a range of interventions which we can now see have simply delayed and deepened the full-blown crisis in whose midst we now are.

Finally, there is another, even longer term cyclical (rise and fall) process within capitalism:

- The geographical shift in hegemony. Marx, Lenin and others following them have demonstrated how capitalist development is characterised by high degrees of combined and uneven development. It is a global system characterised by geographical zones of various importance within the accumulation process - core zones, semi-peripheral zones, and marginal or peripheral zones. Within this hierarchical system there is a tendency for a single zone/region or country to emerge as the dominant hegemon. Over the past 500 years, the hegemonic centre of capitalist accumulation has shifted from the Italian city-states (notably Genoa), to the Netherlands (mid-17th century) and to Britain. Since 1870, the US has positioned itself as a challenger to British hegemonic domination, and since 1945 the US has been the uncontested dominant capitalist power. The emergence of an hegemonic power is usually characterised by a greater productive and technological dynamism than its rivals. In its declining years (and the decline might last for a long period), core centres of production shift to other localities, and the economy of the waning hegemonic power is increasingly characterised by "financialisation" - the increased investment of surplus into speculative activities. This pattern is evident in all hegemonic societies, and since the early 1970s, as US hegemonic dominance has begun to wane, a ballooning financialistion process has been evident there.

In addition to these three "rise and fall" patterns typical of capitalism, there is a fourth factor that needs to be considered in regard to the world capitalist system.

Absolute limits to capitalism

Capitalist ideology is premised on the illusion of limitless resources, making ever expanding production possible and desirable. However, there are absolute limits to capitalist production and reproduction - the depletion of non-renewable natural resources, the destruction of the environment and with it the bio-physical preconditions for human survival, and (this applies specifically to capitalism) social/class struggle against the increasing immiseration of the working class. The first two issues speak for themselves. The capitalists' constant attempt to intensify the rate of exploitation of workers in order to stave off falling rates of profit have absolute physical limits (there are only so many hours a worker can work per day for any length of time). Capitalism (particularly in the era of globalisation) has sought to bypass this limitation by re-locating productive activity to new centres of accumulation (South Korea or China, for example). However, as has happened in South Korea, and is now happening in China, it takes two or three generations for workers to organise for better wages, working conditions and social wage measures. Short of an intensified class struggle everywhere, the space for shifting production to areas of cheaper labour is closing down.

The present crisis

The present crisis is particularly severe because it involves the confluence of all four of these factors in differing degrees.

For around 100 years (1870 to 1970) the US witnessed an unprecedented trend (occasionally interrupted by short-term downturns) of rising productivity and rising real wages for the working class. This economic reality lies at the basis of the "American dream", and of the "consumerism" and relative passivity of the US working class - a car and a suburban home being the epitome of the American "way of life". Since the early 1970s, the US's hegemonic domination has been challenged by Japan and the Asian Tigers and some key European economies - leap-frogging in terms of technological and industrial plant investments, rendering US industrial plant (fixed investments) increasingly unprofitable. This has led to US capital moving to other locations OR moving into increasingly speculative financial activities. At the same time, US mass consumerism has been kept afloat through increasing credit, despite declining real wages since the early 1970s.

Export-oriented Asian (especially Chinese) manufacturers and Third World oil producers became the production sites while US consumption propped up global market demand. The US has been running huge current account deficits - by 2006 the US current account deficit was at $800bn (or 6% of GDP). China, conversely, has played a crucial role in financing this US deficit, and therefore US consumption. China has now accumulated the world's largest foreign exchange reserves ($1.6 trillion as of mid-2008).

This symbiotic but unsustainable reality premised on growing US consumption was further propped up by a variety of "creative" financial instruments developed largely by the US financial sector. Among these were "sub-prime loans" - housing loans to those who basically could not afford them, in which the initial interest rate was sub-prime, but with the interest rate escalating over the duration of the mortgage on the assumption that as the borrower progressed career-wise so there would be an increased capacity to pay instalments.

(Note that this is not very different from many BEE deals - in which black "investors" acquire shares on loan, on the assumption that the shares will always go up and they will be able to repay the loan).

These sub-prime loans were then "diced and sliced" (i.e. mixed up with other more viable loans) and sold on by the direct mortgage institutions to banks and other financial institutions.

The collapse of the sub-prime market has been the catalyst of the present all-round crisis. It has seen one of the top four investment banks in the US, the 100-year old Lehman Brothers collapsing, and other banks and the mortgage lenders (Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac) having to be rescued, often through nationalisations. The dicing and slicing of sub-prime and other toxic loans has meant that major financial institutions in the US and Europe, in particular, have no idea of what they are sitting on.

This has led to a reluctance of banks to lend to each other, and liquidity in the real economy has dried up. Major global manufacturers (like Nokia, for instance) can still access cash from banks, but their hundreds of small suppliers cannot get loans and production across the globe is being impacted. On top of this, demand in the US and Europe is in recession, and this is impacting heavily on major global manufacturers, like China where there have already been hundreds of thousands of retrenchments.

In many respects we are in uncharted waters, and no-one can say for sure exactly where it is all headed. There are, however, a few basic predictions we can make:

"There will not be any significant short-term recovery;" The relative decline of US economic supremacy (which has been slipping since the mid-1970s) has now been greatly accelerated. The US will probably still emerge as the most powerful economy, but the world will have become significantly more multi-polar.

"While multi-polarity offers possibilities, potentially more breathing space and alternatives, for the global South, it is the people of the South (and workers and middle strata in the North) who will bear the burden of the crisis." It is possible that dynamic developing economies like Brazil, India and China may be partially de-linked from the recession, but none will escape its impact. China, with its US oriented, export-led growth strategy will face very serious challenges

South African challenges

The global economic crisis presents the left with major possibilities but also serious challenges. Transformation of our productive economy has become all the more necessary. But it will also become more difficult as declining global demand for our exports will impact on jobs and on state fiscal resources.

We will also encounter an intensified ideological battle, from those outside of the ANC, and indeed from within the ANC itself. With their backs to the wall, but with massive resources, our resident neo-liberals of all stripes are fighting an ideological battle to prevent any sensible, democratic debate opening up within our country on economic policy evaluation and change.

We have been here before. In the critical 1994-1996 period, a similar ideological battle was waged to capture the new government's economic policy agenda. This included demonising, caricaturing and belittling alternative perspectives, especially when they came from the SACP and COSATU. It also included constant threats about what "global markets" would do to us if we dared challenge anything in the neo-liberal gospel. This theme was repeated over and over.

And that is exactly what is now being repeated - except last time, we were being told there were no alternatives to the Washington consensus. Now, we are being told that the crisis of this very same economic agenda is so great, that we had better not risk changing anything.

This was exactly the parting shot from the outgoing deputy finance minister, Jabu Moleketi, speaking in the week before the Alliance economic summit. He told the London Financial Times that it would be "suicidal" for South Africa to change economic policies: "Any sudden policy shifts by South Africa's new leaders would be 'suicidal' for a country whose economy survives at the mercy of foreign investors, according to one of the architects of the recent years of stability." (October 7, 2008)

Notice the sleight of hand in this sentence. On the one hand, we are told that our economy has achieved "years of stability", and on the other, we are told it "survives at the mercy of foreign investors". What kind of stability is that? But according to one of our architects of stability, cde Moleketi, the seas are so choppy now that we shouldn't try to turn our ship around. Typical of this line of reasoning is a caricature of what we are actually attempting (supposedly "a total U-turn"). What we are arguing for is exaggerated, the better to be able to demonstrate our "lack of wisdom".

A similar view is repeated in the "Bottom Line Column" of the Business Day (October 30, 2008). Under a headline "Left snatches defeat from jaws of victory", we are told that while the crisis of capitalism means that "the left might have won this round of the intellectual argument", it is a hollow victory, because the left won't be able to do anything practically. "SA's current account deficit is likely to be 7,7% of GDP and rand volatility remains a headache. Ironically... [the left's intellectual victory] means it will be deprived of the means to deliver on its promises."

In short, we are being told that if the tossed coin lands on heads - the neo-liberals win. If it lands on tails - the left loses.

"Communist economic putsch"? Following the important mid-October Alliance economic summit, some parts of the media have gone out of their way to hysterically scream "communist ideological putsch", "left-wing U-turn", etc. The hysteria with which this is done is designed, not to inform readers, but to precipitate market panic and thus to goad ANC and government leaderships into distancing themselves from economic policy resolutions.

While the unreconstructed Cold War neo-liberals play this "rooi-gevaar" (red peril) card, other less zealous and more cynical neo-liberals dismiss the resolutions of the Alliance economic summit as "just rhetoric". In their view, the ANC leadership is allowing its alliance partners to "let off steam", they are going through the motions of "consultation", the better to continue with business as usual.

And so we have a long-winded debate that goes round and round, with the ultra-neo-liberals arguing that "nothing must be allowed to change", and the reconstructed neo-liberal lites arguing "don't worry, it is impossible for anything to change". They seem to be disagreeing, but at heart, they agree (heads they win, tails they win).

We might be inclined to ignore all of this, if it were not likely to impact on parts of the ANC and government. But, unfortunately, this is not something we can take for granted.

Consider an interview with Minister of Finance, cde Trevor Manuel, conducted by the London Financial Times in the immediate aftermath of the mid-October Alliance economic summit. Clearly referring to the main resolutions from the summit, cde Manuel speaks dismissively:

"We need to disabuse people of the notion that we will have a mighty powerful developmental state capable of planning and creating all manner of employment. It may have been on the horizon in 1994 but it could not be delivered now. The next period is likely to see a lot more competitiveness in the global economy. As consumer demand falls off there will be a huge battle between firms and countries to secure access to markets." (28 October 2008)

In the space of a few lines we have all of the spurious moves we noted coming from the neo-liberals above. In the first place, cde Manuel exaggerates and implicitly ridicules the resolutions of Polokwane and the Alliance summit on the developmental state. (Interestingly, when talking to the local media, he has been more restrained). He then says that a major job creation programme led by a developmental state "may have been on the horizon in 1994 but it could not be delivered now." In other words, it is no longer possible to contemplate serious state-led job creation programmes because of the crisis in the global economy.

But what was cde Manuel saying a few years back when there wasn't the global crisis? In 2000 he told the Sunday Independent: "I want someone to tell me how the government is going to create jobs. It's a terrible admission, but governments around the world are impotent when it comes to creating jobs." (9 January 2000). Then it was NEVER possible, now it is NO LONGER possible.

A few years ago change of economic policy was supposedly "unthinkable" - now it is an "unmentionable".

Let's be clear, when we deny the caricatured claim of wanting a total change of policy, we in the SACP are not apologising for, or concealing our real views. Nor do we deny seeking to influence and to learn from our alliance partners. But, while the idea of a dramatic "left U-turn" emerging, out of the blue, from Polokwane might be flattering, it is spurious.

We support continuity in change

It is spurious because important (but uneven) changes in economic policy have been underway for several years - the defeat of the accelerated privatisation drive, for instance; or the preservation of at least some exchange controls, despite GEAR's commitment to their abolition; or the acceptance that the willing-selling willing-buyer approach to land reform is inadequate There has been an increasing agreement, across the Alliance, that we need to transform our present growth path, that we need to transform our productive economy. There is also a clearer appreciation that macro-economic policy cannot be a stand-alone, and its evaluation must be based on its short and longer-term impact on job creation and poverty alleviation.

Finally, the developmental state we have been increasingly speaking about is essentially an agreement that the state cannot be confined to being an overwhelmed and under-resourced welfare dispenser on the one hand, and a macro-economic boss-boy on behalf of the markets, on the other. In our situation, a developmental state means, primarily, a state that mobilises our national resources to transform the current accumulation path to one based on a state-led industrial policy. The mid-September Alliance summit helped to confirm and to consolidate these strategic perspectives.

Of course, these policy shifts did not come easily. The left within the Alliance (and WE remained within the Alliance) fought long and hard for them. We had to endure plenty of insults, but we stuck the course.


Central to the neo-liberal campaign to block serious economic debate and policy evaluation in our country is a series of inter-related myths about the state of health of our economy.

Myth number one: "over the last decade South Africa has witnessed 'unprecedented' growth" It is true that since 1994 there have been 14 years of successive growth. Between 1994 and 2003 this growth averaged 3%. Between 2004 and 2007 it averaged 5%. It is now likely to dip again to around 3%.

While sustained if moderate growth is not a negligible achievement, we should remember that it is growth relative to the deep ditch into which white minority rule had finally driven the economy by the early 1990s. In the last decade of apartheid, there was either zero or negative growth for most years. To produce growth out of this low-point did not necessarily require rocket science.

Moreover, a decade of growth is far from being "unprecedented" as is so often claimed. Between 1963 and 1973, the apartheid economy grew for a full decade at an average of 7-8%. As this apartheid-era growth should remind us, economic growth on its own doesn't tell us who is benefiting, or even whether a high growth rate is a good or a bad thing for the majority.

Myth number two: "we have managed our economy well since 1994" The last decade and a half has coincided with a huge surge in global growth. In particular, over the last years there has been a major commodity boom that has benefited most of our key exports. With a prolonged global recession now in sight, and with slackening demand for commodities, we have to ask ourselves whether we have used the boom years to place our economy on a sound, sustainable and more equitable basis? Or have we largely squandered the opportunity?

An honest answer would have to admit that, in many respects, we have lost opportunities that may not return. The changed global reality does not make change impossible, it makes it all the more necessary. But transformation will now be more challenging in many respects.

Myth number three: "all the basic economic fundamentals are in place...(and shouldn't be tampered with!)" The smug complacency about what has been achieved over the past decade-and-a-half is, basically, a class complacency. For South African monopoly capital in general the past 15 years have been a period of great profitability, of a widening gap between their executive salaries and the wages they pay their workers. It has been a decade of opportunities to disinvest out of SA.

For workers, however, the past 15 years have seen retrenchments initially soar and then level off into largely jobless growth. Unemployment peaked close to 40% and is now stuck around 33-35%. There has also been wide-scale casualisation, so that those in employment often find themselves below the radar screen of progressive labour market legislation. The past 15 years have also seen widening income inequality, making SA one of the worst performing countries in terms of the GINI coefficient measurement of income inequality. However, important social programmes (including grants, low cost housing and water and electricity provision) have helped to lessen absolute levels of poverty.

The idea that economic "fundamentals" can be reduced to a few macro-economic indicators, while ignoring unsustainable levels of unemployment and inequality, is a class-biased assumption.

Myth number four: "owing to sound economic management, South Africa is a safe haven in the current global turmoil" In its 78th Annual Report, published in June 2008, the Bank of International Settlements rated South Africa (along with Turkey, the Baltic states, Hungary and Romania) as one of the states most at risk in the current turbulent global reality. Of course, the fact that the BIS made this finding should not necessarily lead us to accept it as gospel - the BIS failed to remotely predict the impending scale of bank failure in the US. But the BIS report should certainly give us pause for thought.

The BIS finding was based in particular on SA's precarious current account situation (the difference between our export earnings and import expenditures). Since the June report, our current account deficit has worsened. In October 2008 our trade deficit widened to R7,1bn, largely as a result of a R2,2bn increase in imports of machinery and electrical appliances. On a cumulative basis from January to September the deficit stood at R62bn compared with R55bn in the same period last year. The fact that South Africa has become a net food importer for the first time ever is a further aggravating problem.

It is hard to predict exactly what the short and medium-term global turbulence holds in store for our current account deficit. The rand is tending to depreciate against the dollar and euro and this will improve our export competitiveness - but the global downturn will lessen demand for our exports. The global downturn has brought the price of oil down to levels last seen two years ago, but this decline is partly off-set, in turn, by the declining value of the rand.

In short, our current account deficit - which basically reflects on our failure to drive an aggressive industrial policy programme particularly in manufacturing and agriculture over the last 15-years - will remain a serious point of vulnerability.

Myth number five: "our financial sector is healthy" Although our own financial institutions appear to be well regulated and have not been as severely exposed to toxic loans as their international counterparts, they have not been entirely immune either. Standard Bank has some exposure to derivative share-holdings, and Old Mutual lost over $1,4 billion when its shares in Bear Sterns turned out to be almost worthless. Hopefully, these remain limited cases.

But can we boast of a healthy financial sector when we have had one of the world's worst housing price bubbles? When household debt has quadrupled to more than R1,1 trillion in the past five years? When more than 6 million South Africans can't pay their debts? When, in the first quarter of 2008, South Africans spent 82,3% of their income servicing household debt, compared to 60,2% in 1998? And when 6000 vehicles and 2000 homes are now being repossessed every month?

Myth number six: "the choice is between no-change or imprudent macro-populism" We cannot be imprudent, but nor can we be complacent about where our economy is. We must reject the false choice of either an unsustainable welfarist "macro-populism", on the one hand, or "no change", where, supposedly, government continues to implement "prudent macro-economic policies", while the markets do the rest.

Our problems are structural. We have to transform the systemic features of our persisting growth path that is reproducing the crises of our society - unemployment, poverty, inequality, skills shortages, diminishing food security, and current account vulnerabilities. These crises impact, in turn, on other major headaches, including crime levels and unsustainable household indebtedness.

Too often the debate on economic policy is reduced to the wisdom or otherwise of inflation targeting or a small budget deficit. These are important issues that, no doubt, need prudent handling. But they are subsidiary matters.

At the Alliance economic summit we agreed that our key priorities need to be job creation, major improvements in education, health-care and the criminal justice system, and serious rural transformation. These key priorities must not be handled as trickle-down welfarism, but as integral components of a state-led industrial programme that transforms our excessively commodity-based export-dependent and capital-goods import-dependent growth path. This is neither a dramatic abandonment of macro-economic prudence, nor is it a complacent sitting on our hands, hoping the markets will somehow solve everything.

Myth number seven: "thank God" When South African financial institutions appear to be less vulnerable to the sub-prime crisis than institutions elsewhere, when things are not as bad as they might be, we are asked to believe that something miraculous has occurred. Consider a recent speech delivered at the University of Pretoria by Richemont and Remgro chairperson, Johann Rupert (see here). He told his audience: "I am a proponent for the abolition of exchange controls but I must agree with finance minister Trevor Manuel that we were saved by foreign exchange controls. Certainly some of my banker friends and fund managers would also have been seduced by the higher yields available in the sub-prime and other markets. So for once, thank God for foreign exchange controls." (Business Times, October 26, 2008)

It is possible that we have benefited from divine favours in the recent past. It would be remiss not to acknowledge that cde Manuel has resisted the big-bang removal of exchange controls constantly advocated by the media's "economic specialists", by big business circles, and by the DA and IFP in parliament. However, in line with GEAR commitments to progressively remove exchange controls, the Minister of Finance has introduced no fewer than 26 relaxations of exchange controls over the past 8 years.

The residual presence of some exchange controls in SA isn't particularly due to divine intervention or to the Minister of Finance. Instead it has a great deal to do with protracted struggles from within the ANC, and especially from the SACP and COSATU in opposition to the hasty and excessive liberalisation measures that were introduced from the mid-1990s.

In particular, the SACP-led Financial Sector Campaign eventually compelled Treasury Department officials to deal legislatively and otherwise with our financial institutions and their unwise lending inclinations. The Credit Act and the extension of banking to a wider internal market were the results of the campaign.

It is now conceded by many mainstream commentators that both these measures (along with exchange controls) have played a key role in protecting our banks from the global crisis. Thanking God is a way of obscuring the role of popular mobilisation in impacting positively on economic policy.

Johann Rupert might not want us to remember this fact. But we have not forgotten.


This is an extract from the Political Report delivered to the 6th Plenary Session of the 12th Congress Central Committee of the South African Communist Party, republished in Umsebenzi Online, December 3 2008

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While sustained if moderate growth is not a negligible achievement, we should remember that it is growth relative to the deep ditch into which white minority rule had finally driven the economy by the early 1990s. In the last decade of apartheid, there was either zero or negative growth for most years. To produce growth out of this low-point did not necessarily require rocket science."
Blade Nzimande and Jeremy Cronin


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Surprisingly, the monkeys actually make a bit of sense.
But what scares me is how vocal the communists have become lately.

Capitalism may be breathing its last, but communism is already dead.

Anyone up for a bit of anarchy?

by GI Joe on December 04 2008, 02:42
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When I saw this article
I knew it would be long and boring what is it with these commies they can't ever say anything succinctly

by Stalin on December 04 2008, 02:54
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Agree with GI Joe and Stalin
No doubt, the current situation of Capitalism would give the SACP some ammunition. However Communism in it`s Marxist form died long ago.
The "West", have been applying a "mixed market system", since I can remember.

Agree with GI Joe, . .more

by Carl on December 04 2008, 05:17
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maybe you ideological goons have an answer....let's hear it?
Write this line 100 times..."Over the past 500 years of modern capitalism..."

by Cuba's butt-hole on December 04 2008, 05:34
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Marx and Lenin never "showed" (certainly not in the scientific sense of proof) anything.

These guys will have us know that they have beaten "boom and bust". History shows us that the result of communism is perpetual bust, accompanied by large . .more

by GTR on December 04 2008, 05:53
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The fools make some good observations, but their viewpoint is frankly ridiculous.

"Overproduction is good"? Surely they can see that overproduction is wasteful? It diverts resources from other sectors that suffer from underproduction. And if . .more

by Havelock Vetinari on December 04 2008, 06:36
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what i dont see in this aricle is that once this workers utopia has been created a big wall has to be built around it , a large police force created to stop workers escaping to something so obviously better. this is all childish nonsense , the world knows . .more

by big wall on December 04 2008, 07:07
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Some light reading for the commies........
Gentlemen, please read Animal Farm. It remains inspiring if a little cynical.......
Heaven help all of us if these guys ever come into power with their simplistic views closely aligned to vitriolic rubbish.

by Richard on December 04 2008, 07:33
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Communists on economy
The only proof of the effect of the Marxist system that we have today is a mostly alcoholic, vodka-soaked society as a result of free economy deprivation. The only beneficials of that system were the politicians. Marxism /Communism is dead and rightly . .more

by SASO on December 04 2008, 07:54
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The Truth
Capitalism leads to economic cycles, booms and busts if you will, but the general trend is one of development and growth. Communism leads to only to busts and decline, and permanent ones at that. Much like the AWB clinging to apartheid, its time the . .more

by Dingbat on December 04 2008, 08:04
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I feel so dirty....
....agreeing with things written by a dirty commie. They do make a few good points, and by all means, now is certianly the time for change. The world is not the same place as it was 12 months ago and those countries that can take advantage of these . .more

by MotoMike on December 04 2008, 08:08
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Remember-The rich pay a lot of taxes, which goes towards social development.
The more rich people there are in a country the better for the average South African!
The more attractive the investment environment, the better for the average person i.e creating jobs.
Communism, tends to make rich people and companies leave . .more

by Mike on December 04 2008, 08:11
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Look at eastern europe!!! And China!!! Dismall conditions!!!!!!
Who is to blame????????Comunism!!!!!!
America, Australia, Brittian (all 1st world countries!!!)
Which is able to look after the poor!!!!!
We should strive to become more . .more

by Mike on December 04 2008, 08:19
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Why oh why
does MW even carry anything from these bananas. Is it now PC? Every week MW has this prolix inane ramblings by nobodies. Please put a red star next to caption so I know not even to go there.

by Goofy on December 04 2008, 08:30
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Who do you think wrote this...
We all know Blade and buddies cant even spell properly. Shoot the script witers and the SACP falls to pieces.

by francois on December 04 2008, 08:58
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Check out the vibrant, blazing to all time highs, economy of CUBA! Hahaha!

by WHAAATT! on December 04 2008, 09:04
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Contest the election
To the SACP, all you have to do is contest the election on your own and win, then you can do what you like! When you get perhaps 3% of the vote we hopefully won't have to hear from you again.

by Graham on December 04 2008, 09:09
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maybe these 2 idiots should get real employment - then they can comment from a position of knowledge
@3%$# iceholes

by Gungets Tuft on December 04 2008, 09:09
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Population check
Decrease the population by 20 million and there would be ample jobs and resoruces for everyone.Not via killing but via one child policy with sterilisation for every man after the one child is conceived. The problem with unequal distribution of income . .more

by Pierneef on December 04 2008, 09:16
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Almost right
Many of the points they make are valid, but for the wrong reasons. The single biggest problem is implementation by idiots. Whatever the ideological basis for the economy, it will ultimately fail if implemented by our comrades here. Capitalism didn't . .more

by Swazi on December 04 2008, 09:23
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Poor blind guides
Can't these guys see how prosperous Russia, China, Vietnam, Laos, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia and countless other countries have become since they dumped communism? Can't they see the progress in Mozambique, Angola, Tanzania and the . .more

by Newton on December 04 2008, 09:31
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thats a mounthfull

by Steve on December 04 2008, 09:39
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Subliminal peices of nonsense
What utter horse. And of course, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you appreciate the inevitable - that is, the closing dig at Johann Rupert. The level of frenzied depravation is astounding: it renders these two sanctimonious 'financial experts' completely . .more

by SLR on December 04 2008, 09:42
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Still calling each other 'Comrade'...
You're a dinosaur....this is almost 2009, not 1959, and you're not Che Guevarra. Comrades, revolutions...only in Africa.

by Lark on December 04 2008, 09:57
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Why should we believe any nonsense out of the mouths of the tri-partheid alliance - look where their policies got us at Eskom, SAA, Zimbabwe, water crises, crime crises, economic metdown, jobs shortages, lack of FDI, and the list goes on, plus they killed . .more

by Ali on December 04 2008, 10:19
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Awesome handle by the way! Overproduction in factories in the old soviet union was vital.

A mad Georgian once explained this to me this way: Everyone in a factory earned about the same but the higher up the ladder you were the more you could . .more

by Junkyard on December 04 2008, 10:21
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testing posting
won;t work

by Testing on December 04 2008, 10:47
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Democracy is the worst possible system of government, except for all the other systems we have tried. Capitalism is also the worst possible economic system.except for all the other systems we have tried.

by andrewa on December 04 2008, 10:52
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claptrappists clapping their traps again...
Why are two of the most economically ignorant quasi-politicos commenting on the state of the economy? Reads parrot fasion like the tripe I had to study in university. Some pseudo-radicals never give up the lie that communism works despite the fact that it . .more

by ps on December 04 2008, 10:56
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The recipe is:
If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance you baffle them with BS.

Put in enough cut-n-paste phrases, throw in some home truths mixed with phantasy and generalizations, make the article long enough - this impresses and looses the readers . .more

by Youtube professor - Part I on December 04 2008, 11:28
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I could equally prove in the same manner in all points whenever something went wrong somewhere the hands of a socialist or liberal marxist where at play with their agents, unions and secret societies and bankrollers.

In fact I could prove that . .more

by Youtube Professor - Part II on December 04 2008, 11:29
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jeremy and blade what are we going to produce and who are we going to sell it to
and who is going to work for the salary to make us competative to china etal these guys need to move on from the theory the world has moved on since stalin and marx and I suggest you update yourselfs as well

by liveintherealworld on December 04 2008, 12:00
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Sup-prime loans does not refer to an interest rate that is less than prime, as this piece says. It refers to a loan extended to someone who has a bad credit history, and is thus considered to be less than a prime customer. While some of these loans did . .more

by Felicity Duncan on December 04 2008, 12:02
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Furthr error
Sub-prime loans were not premised on the idea that the borrower would progress in his or her career, and thus be able to afford them. They were based on a belief that house prices would continue to rise, so the borrower could refinance the loan on the . .more

by Felicity Duncan on December 04 2008, 12:03
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Nobel Prize 2001
The very least that i would have thought from the writers of this item would be some credit to Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Economic prize in 2001 for his paper and research into neo-liberalism as an economic grab bag of ideas followed by many western powers in . .more

by Joseph on December 04 2008, 12:06
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While propagating communism Cronin the Clown is enjoying the fruits of capitalism. Saw him some time ago enjoying the perks of the SAA lounges at OT International. Some must be more equal that others....

by SP on December 04 2008, 12:23
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'Comrade this and comrade that...'
Ye Gods! When will these pillocks realize that communism does not work in practice. Theory is one thing... just consider North Korea vs its southern neighbour. Why do these folk (and those in government) persist in using the long-outdated salutation of . .more

by Tuggles on December 04 2008, 12:53
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And the biggest myths of them all...
1. Is that Marxism can bring anything but financial ruin and misery. Blade you are a monumental liar and thief
2. The current crises was caused not by the free market but by CENTRAL BANKING where "money" is irredeemable debt that enslaves nations. . .more

by Lord Max on December 04 2008, 13:25
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While giving capitalism stick,give us a few examples of communist countries that A] Haven't gone bankrupt. B] Have been democracies and C]Haven't killed large parts of their populations through starvation and concentration camps.....

by Noddy on December 04 2008, 13:31
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The governments of the rest of the world are implementing plans to save their economies, while the ANC sleeps , drinks and eats garlic and beetroot pizza in the dark because Eskom is not working. They drink whisky because they have destroyed frsh water . .more

by Another on December 04 2008, 13:44
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Nzimande and Cronin
This sentence: "We obviously make this point, in order to prepare our defences against what is likely to be a political discourse in the coming years - blame a largely "objectively" (and externally) determined downturn on "Polokwane populism".", betrays . .more

by Dutywa on December 04 2008, 14:03
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Thank you Lord Max
Wasn't sure to post such things on MW: "The Russian revolution was not an uprising of the downtrodden masses but funded by BANKERS".

Addendum, the same plutocrats C** bankers who sit behind the current global meltdown.

by Youtube Professor on December 04 2008, 14:22
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Some suggested reading for Blade and his pale Runner:


by Freemarketman on December 04 2008, 15:06
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why they like communism
They like it because they are to lazy to work. Communism is a system where the guy at the top forces the rest to work for him, normally by way of a AK47. He has everything and the rest has none. Example - Stalin, Lenin, etc

by gd on December 04 2008, 15:08
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Wow it took so long to read this article I was hoping by the end of reading it the world would have recovered from the recession ..... I just hope that our communist friends have excellent plans to quickly educate black South Africans in farming . .more

by The Kid on December 04 2008, 15:34
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why is it...
... that whenever these guys make a speech it sounds as though it was written for a Monty Python sketch?

by Plutarch on December 04 2008, 15:49
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And in a couple of months the author will be writing under the
title of Dr Blade when an honourary docorate is bestowed on him for this piece of economic genius.

by Piet on December 04 2008, 15:52
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whoa.....insult never won any arguments
Like most of the readers I have very little time for communism. However many of the points made in dealing with the 7 myths are perfectly valid and a better assessment of reality than I have seen from many "expert" economists and financial journalists. I . .more

by ack on December 04 2008, 15:54
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500 years of modern capitalism!! what are you talking about? The feudal system applied during that period, city states and Mercantilism drove economics. 50 year cycles - measured by which Deparartment of Statistics. Come off it - a myth if ever there . .more

by conrad on December 04 2008, 16:02
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Communism: The equal sharing of misery (Churchill)
Plenty of capitalist bashing but why no examples of communist success? Also, far from the immeseration of the workers, the world has seen the embourgeoisement of the masses.

by The man in the street on December 04 2008, 16:06
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Thanks for the humorous way of looking at communism
allthough it is no laughing matter - remember the Kulaks where shot first. I must remember GD's definition.

by Joker on December 04 2008, 16:10
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Good grief! It's almost as tedious as
something from the good old "new left review", which I vowed more than 20 years ago never to read again. Some of the points are indeed rather telling, but they've been making this kind of argument for decades, so they probably had to be right about at . .more

by A.Reader on December 04 2008, 17:14
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Blah, blah, blah
Long and with no substance. The sub-prime loans came from a socialist-leaning sentiment - make everyone equal by making sure they have a house. That's a noble idea, but don't pretend it's capitalist.
The reference to 'sleight of hand' is itself . .more

by CTheB on December 04 2008, 18:36
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But then why?
These two set out to prove how bad the gov, esp Trevor Manual is, yet they campaigned for, and *will continue to campaign* for the self-same party.

This begs the question, why doesn't the SACP enter the political area and garner the votes of the . .more

by Puzzled on December 04 2008, 19:09
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those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it. What the
capitalist system does is empower anyone who wishes to start a business to do so and in so doing try and create some value. Competition ensures that the marginal cost of production is reflected in the price of the goods on the market. The market is . .more

by semaarnet on December 04 2008, 22:36
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The end is nigh
Oh Blade,
Be worried, the Forensic Procedures Bill could easily show you up...

The days of many miscreants not getting arrested because there wasn't any links between HANIS fingerprints database and SAPS are over. The current situation . .more

by Phreebie on December 05 2008, 08:58
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Useless comments
This would have been a good time to assist the ANC in crafting its policies. The "Dirty Commies" have pinned their flags to the mast and what do they get? Insults. They opened the door to receptivity to "capitalist prudence" by suggestiong that they are . .more

by LB on December 05 2008, 11:20
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Hey, everyone !!! Capitalism is in trouble according this article written by two people who have done everything possible to undermine capitalism.
Except, of course, that part of capitalism that keeps them personally wealthy !!!

by Richard on December 05 2008, 12:49
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Doing the two step - two forward, one backward.
You don't negotiate with them, you blast them. Negotiations you do when in a weaker position. Negotiating with communists - look were South Africa has landed due to negotiations (and not only South Africa). A communist only negotiates if he can get . .more

by Engage with communists on December 05 2008, 13:20
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Get a life LB. Pray what does the following mean?" In our situation, a developmental state means, primarily, a state that mobilises our national resources to transform the current accumulation path to one based on a state-led industrial policy."...ie . .more

by Noddy on December 05 2008, 13:52
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