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An outstanding example of racist thinking - Helen Zille

Helen Zille
28 May 2009

The DA leader's reply to criticism from The Star columnist Heidi Holland

Ironically, in seeking to be a champion of non-racialism, Heidi Holland provides an outstanding example of racist thinking in its purest form. ('A disservice to white citizens,' The Star May 21 2009)

Holland's article is based on the following premise:  if a person (who happens to be white) criticizes the behaviour of another person (who happens to be black) the white person speaks for all whites in criticizing all blacks.  Because of the history of apartheid, no white has the right to do this.  If they do, they are racist, and doing a disservice to all whites.

They must therefore apologise.  (A black person, according to an inversion of this logic, faces no such constraint.)

This kind of racism was rife in the early years of our democracy.  It relegated whites to "second class citizens", unable to state a fact if any black person might be offended by it.  This warped logic has thankfully diminished somewhat due to many (black and white) South Africans rejecting it for the nonsense that it is.

It is difficult to reach consensus on a definition of racism, but most people agree that it starts with generalizations.  It involves projecting the attributes of an individual onto a group as a whole on the basis of race, with pejorative connotations.  Heidi Holland's narrative is a classic example of this kind of racist thinking.

She uses it make the argument that I should apologise, on behalf of all whites, for my criticism of Jacob Zuma.  Whether I was telling the truth about Jacob Zuma having put his wives at risk by having unprotected sex with an HIV+ woman is irrelevant.  So is the fact that this was one sentence in a logically structured letter to a newspaper in response to a vicious personal attack on myself.  Holland's point is simply this:  as a white, I have no right to criticize the President's behaviour.

What I said about Zuma was not only a fact; it was mild compared to what journalists (and many others) have repeatedly said about him.

This is what the Pretoria News had to say after Zuma's conduct and attitudes towards women were revealed in court:

"The story of  [Zuma's] actions on that fateful night last year is a sad reflection on the former deputy president's morals and code of conduct. Zuma is not fit to lead a country where women's rights are high on the agenda, where the fight against Aids is, or should be, an urgent national priority and where the protection of the weak and vulnerable is the duty of the powerful. South Africa deserves a president who can lead by example. Jacob Zuma has shown he cannot do that."

The Pretoria News' words were far harsher than mine.  But maybe the editorial writer was black, which means (according to Holland's logic) he is allowed to say things that I am not.

Let's look at the Sunday Times on the same subject

"As [Zuma] tries to draw a false screen of moral relativism across his record, we would do well to continue to hold him to account for his own behaviour. In proclaiming, during his artfully choreographed public apology, that he was just a human being, Zuma sought to drag all of us down to his own level of moral turpitude. That is an offensive defence that denigrates every man who would have offered the accuser the help then that Zuma now sanctimoniously proclaims she deserves. If Zuma believes all human beings are as much victims of their appetites as he is, then he is even less deserving of respect than his trial suggests."

When I read what the Sunday Times said about Jacob Zuma before the election, its ongoing campaign against me for voicing more muted criticism is interesting indeed.  Perhaps Holland's logic is at work here as well: because the editor is black, he is allowed to say things that I am not.

Or is it because as a woman, I must respect the taboos around male sexuality?  These taboos are a key component of gender oppression.  They conveniently prevent women from challenging the belief, widely held by many men, that frequent, unprotected sexual encounters are their right.  When I confronted this belief, I became the subject of such a tirade of vicious misogynistic hate-speech, that I began to understand why so many women prefer to focus on monitoring quotas rather than dealing with the real causes of gender oppression.

The real issues gender activists should be addressing were contained in the mind-numbing results of research released at Stellenbosch University recently.  This includes the chilling fact that the statutory rape of children has become commonplace in our society; and that one third of young people believe you can prevent AIDS by taking a shower after sex or by taking a pill.  These findings went unnoticed in the froth whipped up about the composition of the Western Cape cabinet.

But the height of irrationality in Holland's piece is her reflections on her recent sojourn in Norway.  In that country, she suggests, my "bigotry" would not have been tolerated.  Excuse me?  Is she suggesting that in Norway, people would keep quiet if their President had behaved the same way as ours in relation to women or in his financial dealings?  Is she suggesting Norwegians could have kept a polite silence if their Presidential candidate faced charges on some 763 counts of corruption, fraud, racketeering, money laundering (conveniently withdrawn 3 weeks before an election?)  I venture to suggest that in Norway, it would be inconceivable for a person with a record such as Jacob Zuma to have become a serious candidate for leadership in the first place.   Their constitution is a living document, where people
seek to practice what they preach.

In South Africa, our constitution is often a thin veneer over the brutal reality.  The unspoken rule is:  never scratch below the surface.  If you dare to do so, you will be bludgeoned into silence.  This is the message Heidi Holland tried to send me this week.  For the sake of our future, I will continue facing the facts, no matter how much politically correct outrage this elicits.

This article by Democratic Alliance leader, Helen Zille, first appeared in The Star, May 27 2009

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A new white humanity is unlikely to emerge if prominent white people are unable to be magnanimous in the face of the inexperience and ineptitude - political and otherwise - that pervades South Africa in the wake of apartheid. Helen Zille's embarrassing attack shows just how urgently we need increased activism around whiteness and sadly racism in order for people to gain insight into their position and privilege. I call on the many white South Africans who regret and resent Zille's arrogance to denounce it publicly in whatever way they can. Those of us who have tried to interrogate our whiteness seldom get the chance to stand up and be counted."
Heidi Holland, The Star May 21 2009
 

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Heidi Holland
I have to pay the same tax, each month... to SARS... Working my self to the bone and then I have to pay one of the highest tax in the world... But I can not complain because I am white... go and do something with Mugabe. I am working for a better tomorow . .more

by THE AFRICAN on May 28 2009, 16:54
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Heidi
Where does this women come from, I am a black women and a proud one for that, you said your piece and here is mine... Go and talk rubbish to the americans or robert mugabe... You are so out of it, come back to reality... We want to unite a nation, you . .more

by Sadi on May 28 2009, 17:08
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the irony...
How ironic... Here a white liberal (Heidi Holland, suffering from Fay Stender syndrome) attacks another white liberal who, as a Black Sash member, were instrumental in working to isolate the Nats and install the ANC. The calamity brought on by the Black . .more

by JVR on May 28 2009, 17:25
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Holland
Isn't she a white zimbo?

What the hell is she doing here in SA stating that our favourite white politician must apologise to the man god on behalf of all whites?

Heidi, why don't you phuck off?

Viva Helen! Viva.

by Mongoose on May 28 2009, 17:26
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@JVR
Please get over yourself man! I am tired of the nonsence that you spout. I lived in SA as an adult white english-speaking man, and I know exactly how your people governed. Helen was right to do the things she did to bring it to an end. You belong with Dan . .more

by Benny on May 28 2009, 18:34
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The thoughtfulness in this piece is amazing
We haven't seen this level of thoughtful analysis and debate in a long time. Helen is raising the bar with every piece she writes.

The era of slogans, clich├ęs, empty promises and mindless press statements that say nothing is over ... Zille is . .more

by Sad Days on May 28 2009, 19:22
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@ JVR
Try and write a comment where you don't mention that Zille was in the Black Sash - I mean, we get it, you are resentful - but you've mentioned it 50 times or more already. Move on man, it's getting really boring and in case you don't realise it, you are . .more

by Sad days on May 28 2009, 19:27
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Say it Benny! It might save you...
Benny, say Shibboleth!

by JVR on May 28 2009, 19:35
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I am bonkers Sad Days, and Zille was in the Black Sash!

Sad Days -- I am bonkers due to cognitive dissonance.

Let me say it again. The reason we are where we are today, is because of the activities of the "white Left", mostly local, but they recruited the Western Left in their desire to conclude . .more

by JVR on May 28 2009, 19:48
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Heidi talks sense vs Helen talks nonesense
Helen Zille has ignored a gazillion articles (penned mainly by black journalists) criticising her open hostility to the man she failed to stop in her misguided and very personal election campaign. But when a former (white) comrade of hers lays on the . .more

by KS on May 28 2009, 22:36
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Fay Stender, and Heidi Holland
And oh yes Sad Days, we have a wonderful reversal of roles here:

Heidi Holland is the New Black Sash, playing the role that the Old Black Sash played in the Old Bad Days by attacking what is perceived as attacks on her beloved New Black Panthers . .more

by JVR on May 28 2009, 23:14
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Er... KS ... Zille is not the one making war talk
That would be the ANC. In fact Zille has been happily attending the Premiers meeting with Zuma for the last few days. Read the article man. She merely reminded readers of a piece of information that was public knowledge and that was even admitted by Zuma . .more

by Sad days on May 29 2009, 00:01
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HEIDI, JVR
TO JVR you must please keep from using the Black Sash name... We would do what we did to the NP gov, and Helen is a true hero for women... that do the job... We women fought agiants NP and we will do the same agiants the ANC... Go for a eye test... you . .more

by Sadi on May 29 2009, 01:18
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Zille v Zuma
The point that those who attack Helen Zille insist on missing, is simple enough for a child to understand.

Zuma was about to be properly charged in proper court of law to answer more than seven hundred grave charges. What he was charged with, . .more

by Sagmoeige Neelsie on May 29 2009, 01:44
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The Black Sash won!!
Sadi -- What are you bubbling on about? I absolutely could not get it. Are you unhappy?

The Black Sash Caused the ANC. They championed them. Zuma is president today because of the Black Sash. Congratulations. You won. You got what you . .more

by JVR on May 29 2009, 02:08
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@JVR
Man, you said it absolutely correct. We should have fought it out. Now, instead of a quick solution with new borders, it is going to be a long, slow, painful death for the whites in Africa. They will be kept as cash cows, exploited to pay taxes, used as . .more

by CA Bez on May 29 2009, 03:01
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STOP THE NOISE! We want real leaders who can think please!!!!!!!
Long live Zille! Lets continue to hope that somehow more of our leaders, even Zuma will see the light and start the lonesome path of inner growth to lead us all with a moral compass that can take us past racism, ideology, blindness and plain stupidity... . .more

by Lion on May 29 2009, 05:26
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Sad Days - Happy Insults
Nobody has amnesia. In my comment I acknowledged Zuma has a million and one faults. Fact is he is the president of the Republic no matter how hard you bloggers all wish he weren't. Another commentator seems to believe that those of us that voted ANC are . .more

by KS on May 29 2009, 05:47
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The country has spoken
I love it when we are reminded that the country has spoken in electing it's new President, so we can't criticise him any more. Indeed, those who have spoken are those that cannot even write. Zuma got voted in by those who like a good disco act with a bit . .more

by Andy on May 29 2009, 06:21
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@JVR
I've got great news for you - there already exists this exciting bordered frontier you are speaking about, they call it Orania. Hopefully they don't have internet acess there so we don't have to hear this drivel anymore. You are both racist seeing black . .more

by aj on May 29 2009, 06:46
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Stop the bickering start delivery
Hi Hellen, as one of your voters I know you have a sharper tongue and more brains than your critics. Please don't waste time and energy on these twits. Lets have some news about real BIG projects for the Western Cape. How about Whole of Cape Town to . .more

by Lynne on May 29 2009, 07:03
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If the glove fits wear it.........That means YOU
RACISM,PROSTITUTION AND POVERTY
Have been with us since the creation of man and ithis phenomina exists throughout the world .So YOU out there in south africa grow up get a life and learn to at least live with or manage those three elements of the . .more

by RUS on May 29 2009, 07:13
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well said helen
i voted for you because you:
-are brave
-speak the truth
-are concise

but please stop paying attention to these monkeys are focus on the main reason i voted for you: DELIVERY

by charlie on May 29 2009, 07:19
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Cold facts (and no not Rodriguez last album)
The only truth and it is a fact is the comment by Bez on May 29 2009, 03:01 (above)

by Five on May 29 2009, 07:20
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racism
I wish someone would explain what is racism.It seems to me it is far more acceptable to be a rapist,murderer,thieve or corrupt crook because you are not guilty until proven .

by Paleface racist on May 29 2009, 07:25
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Heidi
I think Heidi's journalistic credentials should be checked. Even a 12 year old would be able to see from the last election that there are no(none ,zilch) whites who resent or regret Helen's arrogance- there are also a lot of thinking black people who do . .more

by galant on May 29 2009, 07:36
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Zille For President
Of all of the politicians, only Zille seems capable of thinking logically. Even Manuel can't do it (supporting the Dalai Lama being refused a visa!).

by "Nandos" Malema on May 29 2009, 07:40
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@KS / JVR
KS, you're second response really got me going thinking that perhaps intelligent ANC supporters do exist but then in your last line you had to resort to the boring r word etc etc.
To JVR, you are history and what kind of a "fight" do you think we . .more

by dks on May 29 2009, 07:46
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Ask yourself a simple question -
Would you rather have a government of Helen Zille clones or a government of Jacob Zuma clowns?

by Gee Whiz on May 29 2009, 07:51
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The point
I am a big supporter Helen and agree with your article here but for one underlying premise: I don't see how Pres. Zuma's behaviour justifies your appointing an all male cabinet. That is where you embarrass me.

by innercave on May 29 2009, 07:53
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whos a racist!??
hey i think bra Julius is a racist. if a non black makes a comment regarding Zuma, then she is called a racist. Julius made even more derogatory comments to Helen. isnt he then a racist? Racism is not white being indifferent to white, it is any . .more

by SA on May 29 2009, 08:07
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@ innercave
Wake up and free your thinking. It is not race OR gender , it is the best PERSON for the job. Stop being a product of the media and repeating everything you hear, think for yourself.

by Dave on May 29 2009, 08:12
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Thank you Mrs Zille for bringing some normality to life.
JVR keep going man these lilly white liberals turned racists (I'm not talking about Zille here) are trying to justify there sordid thoughts.Lets give a thought pattern for people like AJ, Sadi etc etc. 1980 Lifes sweet we have a lovely car great country, . .more

by Senhor on May 29 2009, 08:12
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Zille's reply makes Heidi Holland look like the amateur journalist she is.
Is this the same Heidi Holland who has nothing but praise for Mugabe? If it is then she should be cut some slack because she doesn't know what she's doing. Wasn't there also a Heidi Holland from Amsterdam involved with the ANC cadres and acts of . .more

by Ted on May 29 2009, 08:12
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We love Helen
You have a lot of guts lady and you have earned the respect of many South Africans, white ,coloured ,black ,male and female. Bravo.

by Todd on May 29 2009, 08:14
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Heidi Holland and Helen Zille
Helen Zille has written an excellent riposte to the drivel put out by the (not too intelligent) Heidi Holland, and also pointed to the intellectual bankruptcy of many of her critics who seemingly operate under the mindless fantasy that no white person has . .more

by flebus on May 29 2009, 08:15
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Part ii @JVR
2007 dinner party "I tell you chaps these blerrie blacks are getting out of hand Zuma is a thief and Betty the maid I've provided accomodation for her for 25 years (ok ok in a one room kennel not fit for a dog but much nicer than the townships and she . .more

by Senhor on May 29 2009, 08:19
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@JVR
Ons is almal al siek en sat van jou alewige gesanik oor die Black Sash en ander wat gehelp het om die Boere onder te ploeg. Jou gesanik dra absoluut niks by tot die huidige debat nie, en jy is 'n verleentheid vir ander Afrikaanssprekendes. Hou tog . .more

by mpho on May 29 2009, 08:22
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@ Innercave maybe they were the best guys for the job?
If you agree with her article then you have totally contradicted yourself with this STUPID STATEMENT

by Senhor on May 29 2009, 08:26
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Time to Work
Good for you, Helen. You tell them.

Now get off your butt, stop responding to these idioic critics, and start figuring out how to win Gauteng in the next election.

You already have my vote, now all you need is a few million more.

by The Stig on May 29 2009, 08:29
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A few responses
KS - you used "racist" again without evidence - not good enough - try harder

Lynne - you want delivery, listen today, Helen's opening speech in the Provincial parliament.

innercave - not back to the male cabinet thing again - if you are . .more

by Sad days on May 29 2009, 08:35
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What's your FACT Zille????
Zille, reports are that woman is actually HIV-negative.
1. Did you personally see her HIV test results before claiming your insults as fact?
2. Do you know for a fact that Zuma did not test for HIV before sleeping with his wives after the . .more

by Tman on May 29 2009, 08:41
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Carry on Helen Zille
You speak for so many that fear to write to the newspapers for fear of having our ideas edited. Moreover, we are grateful for some calm rebuttal of the hysterical classes

by JW on May 29 2009, 08:52
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DA Supporter
Helen, we love you girl!! Keep pushing the envelope, you have our support!!

VIVA Helen Zille :)

by Proud Capetonian on May 29 2009, 08:52
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insulting the office/ person of the President.
I can count at least three who insult the office of the President almost every day:
1/. Jacobus Zooma
2/ Julius Malema
3\ Blade Nzimandy
4/. The vavi excrescence

by Plutarch on May 29 2009, 08:57
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Bravo Helen
You are a shining light in a morass of corruption, and stinking evil. The hate-speech that is being dished out to you by all and sundry in the ANC is nothing short of diabolical. I am leaving South Africa. New Zealand is far from perfect, and I will make . .more

by pfp on May 29 2009, 09:04
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Racism
Racism is a mental ailment wherein the practitioner(white) beleives that he/she is superior to other races by virtue of being white.

by Piet on May 29 2009, 09:12
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Zille
Zille for President. !!!

by Big Reef on May 29 2009, 09:18
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racist
Calling someone a racist is the (anti-White) equivalent of calling them a witch.

by js on May 29 2009, 09:22
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flebus you warm my heart
and i mean that. great comment. nothing more i could add.

by gph on May 29 2009, 09:30
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south africans need to learn a lot about diplomacy
the thinking that you could be superior to President Zuma - is overplayed. You are not superior and this day is here to prove it. zille's influence in the early days was merely part of her strategy to come into presidency , and did she think she could . .more

by to plutarch - ACTUALLY YOU CANNOT COUNT - THAT IS FOUR on May 29 2009, 09:31
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@KS
I agree with KS. Helen may be factually correct and entitled to respond, but it is not useful, productive or conducive to progress to focus on insults and point scoring. Her responses and reasoning are clever, not necessarily wise. JZ is president, like . .more

by HK on May 29 2009, 09:38
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The Problem with Helen
Everything she say in this artcle is correct and I support her. However:

With Zuma for what he is, with Malema for what he says, with the MK Vets for what they say etc etc etc, 65% of RSA citizens still voted for them.

So no matter . .more

by J on May 29 2009, 09:38
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Piesangrepubliek
Help my ek verstaan nie. Die man het seks gehad met n HIV vrou en dit openlik erken. Tweedens is daar na bewering 700 kriminele aanklagte teen hom. Hoe repekteer jy so n persoon as jou land se EERSTE BURGER?

As die vrae gevra word is dit altyd . .more

by calliefer on May 29 2009, 09:39
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@Heidi Holland
I agree with Heidi Hollands article.We as white south africans cannot deny that we were schooled in racism and in its subliminal implementation.An apology would be a token of reconciliation ,but the real work would only begin once all south africans . .more

by Marshbuzzard on May 29 2009, 09:42
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Dear Sad days
can you please point me to Hellen Zilles explanation for appointing an all white cabinet?

Thanks


by Mischa on May 29 2009, 09:43
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Heidie you have the logic of a bannana
I think maybe spend more time educating yourself than writing....

by BLAH on May 29 2009, 09:44
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@Tman
Wakey wakey ...time to get a brain. Zille does not have to personally see the womans' results ..her status was a fact proven in a court of law. She also doesn't have to answer all your other questions ..what Zille said, was that Zuma was putting his wifes . .more

by Airwolf on May 29 2009, 09:48
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The facts for Tman
In his court judgement, Judge Willem van der Merwe stated that, "It is totally unacceptable that a man should have unprotected sex with a person other than his regular partner and definitely not with a person who, to his knowledge, is . .more

by Sad days on May 29 2009, 09:48
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heidi
Afew years ago Heidi Holland interviewed Robert Mugabe and subsequently wrote glowing tomes in praise of him.

Maybe she has a soft spot for powerful black men!

by flebus on May 29 2009, 09:50
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@Tman
i'd very much like to see these reports you talk of. please add the link in your next post, otherwise i, and other readers, will take you for a fibber. but to answer your questions in a more logical order than you ask them:

4. zille speaks of . .more

by man on the street on May 29 2009, 09:55
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REMEMBER
Remember the NATS? Had same sort os stupid attacks/intolerance of others who critised them etc. ANC is no different. Onlly they now how, now best etc. At least all South Africans have Helen Zille to fight this nonsense. Keep it up

by PIE IN THE SKY on May 29 2009, 09:58
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oh well, lets all vote Helen into the presidency and see.
The refusal of the components of society to think, like Heidi, offend the truth and keep us underperforming ie the poor remain poor, the unemployed remain unemployed and the rich do business with the rich in other countries. If the poor in the Eastern . .more

by Free the Rest on May 29 2009, 10:24
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Dare to Date
Helen your picture is so beutifull will you go on a date with me maby we can catch some nandos sister

by al on May 29 2009, 10:41
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ANDY
SA voters of J ZUMA are those who clapped Mugabe.........

Where in the face of buttocks: Dumbhead

by 419 on May 29 2009, 10:49
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DA = Delivering Apartheid party FEETURING ...Heidi Holland
Another collaboration of reviving apartheit ,another method of leading and brain washing stupid people,another strategy of bringing aprtheid back, shame you working so hard for nothing because most people are aware , that is why Mr Zuma is the president . .more

by MVPKN on May 29 2009, 10:51
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MK vets picture
I was very amused when seeing the front page citizen photo of the MK vets, all old and very second hand looking. It reminds us that theres mabey a decade left before
the bornfree genration will be of middle age and will drop the shackes of the past.

by currently disadvantaged on May 29 2009, 10:52
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A simple question begs answering:
Why is Heidi Holland in South Africa and not apologising to Mugabe in Zimbabwe? Go have more tea with the great ape you idiot!

by Joe Soap on May 29 2009, 11:19
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MVPKN - the dumbest comment ever on Moneyweb hand's down
Wow. You don't want apartheid part ii? The ANC will rule forever? This is a streteg of brining aparthid back? Even Zanu PF is going to lose sooner or later my man, oh no wait they already did but couldn't let go. The rest of your comments are too dumb for . .more

by Dre on May 29 2009, 11:27
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@MVPKN
20% for woodwork by chance?

by dumbstruck on May 29 2009, 11:49
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@mischa
Just in case sad days misses your request; in a nutshell : The law required Helen Zille to select her cabinet from those who were actually elected on the DA provincial list. This severely limited her choice. She chose the ten best qualified persons for . .more

by flebus on May 29 2009, 11:57
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cut to the chase
Lets get to the point, - for a night of scintillating discussion, followed by wild unbridled abandon and passion, would you rather go with Helen or someone like Naledi Pandor. I rest my case.--HELENS HOT!!!!!!- -Go for it girl, you're the best thing thats . .more

by Voortrekker on May 29 2009, 12:03
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It is actually Heidi Holland calling black people inexperienced and inept,
in her article in The Star.!

by Jan on May 29 2009, 12:11
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Heidi Holland, stop, think, breath,,, and try again
Helen Zille, you continue to say what needs to be said. There has always been people who fail to see the irrelevance or lack of logic in their arguments. Heide Holland is obviously such a person.

Viva Helen Zille, viva!

by DMBT on May 29 2009, 12:13
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Simple ... don't buy the Star
I stopped buying the Star when they started publishing racist anti white articles by Jon Qelane. Simple vote with your bucks. Let them blast off both of their left feet. Who gives a toss? I, for one, don't. When the circulation falls, the ad revenue . .more

by Lord Max- master of infinity on May 29 2009, 12:14
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Giving the facts
Brillant retort by Zille.

I wish we had more of her kind in the country.

by Edwin on May 29 2009, 12:19
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Blacks need to get over themselves...
HAHAHA As a neutral party (who was never too white before and now never too black), I find it interesting that 15 years post our first black democratic government, BLACKS still feel inferior and want apologies (amongst other things).

Let me get . .more

by Bollywood King on May 29 2009, 12:33
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BLACK PEOPLE MUST GET OVER THEMSELVES AND REALISE THAT THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED... FOR LIKE 15 YEAR...
BLACK PEOPLE MUST GET OVER THEMSELVES AND REALISE THAT THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED... FOR LIKE 15 YEARS NOW!!!

by Bollywood King on May 29 2009, 12:34
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@man on the street
""he could just as plausibly have slept with his wives before he had any results""

is that a fact, Stop thinking like idiot Zille when faced with tough quetions about her all male cabinet, she then insult Zuma

You got 0 out of 5.

by Tman on May 29 2009, 12:49
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Sense at last
What a clear and sensical reply to Heidi H's bland uninformed dinner party drivel. The pursuit of elevated, progressive thought and the upholding of ethics regardless of colour, government and prevailing propaganda-infused zeitgeist is the most valuable . .more

by Goitman on May 29 2009, 12:55
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These debates and even mud-slinging ARE useful
Why does everyone assume that debate is not useful and that Zille is wasting time answering her critics? In the entire history of South Africa there has not once been a space where people can freely state their opinions and debate amongst themselves, no . .more

by Lets talk about sex on May 29 2009, 12:58
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Truth or Fiction
"I was telling the truth about Jacob Zuma having put his wives at risk" - Is this a fact or conjecture. Is Hellen Zille some kind of a peeping tom or dose she just consider her own conjecture as fact. Further as the election is over, I fail to understand . .more

by Yebo Gogo on May 29 2009, 13:23
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MVPKN - do the DA want to bring back apartheid
Your piece is so badly spelt and put together that I would normally not respond, but let's give you the benefit of the doubt and blame apartheid education from 20 years ago and assume you haven't managed to catch up in the intermediate . .more

by Sad Days on May 29 2009, 13:25
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Final points to MVPKN
The DA used to be called the Progressive party and they were the main official opposition party that fought against apartheid during the apartheid times. So obviously, they would definitely not want it to return after it was finally abolished. . .more

by Sad Days on May 29 2009, 13:31
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Hysteria
The ANCYL and the ANC War vets are hysterically angry that Zille repeated the words of a Judge in the trial of Zuma for rape.

I want to be reminded as often as possible about the character of my new President, lest I be misled by his charm . .more

by Andy on May 29 2009, 13:34
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@Lets talk about.....
I couldn't agree with you more. Those ninnies who say Helen should not waste her time reponding to her attackers and should get on with what they voted in for get on my nerves. Part of her job is to stand her ground on behalf of party and principle; and . .more

by flebus on May 29 2009, 13:44
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by Zwakala on May 29 2009, 13:47
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@Tman
you're not a very bright fellow, are you? try to keep up. i'll go slowly.

zille used the word 'risk', and i suspect deliberately so. i tried to explain this to you before, but you seem to be struggling. so, again - it is possible that zuma did . .more

by man on the street on May 29 2009, 14:02
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Sexual Behaviour in South Africa
The constituency of the DA has no better sexual behaviour than any other group. In fact Hellen Zille's own back yard (the leafy suburbs of Cape Town) are well known for promiscuity, multiple partner relationships and risky sexual practices. Are we to . .more

by Student on May 29 2009, 14:07
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@sad days
Well said, but dont bother waisting your time trying to give explanations to MVPKN, i think its a joke, as NOBODY is capable of such magnificant intelligence.

by dumbstruck on May 29 2009, 14:08
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I've interrogated my whitest parts Dear Heidi...
It appears that I'm totally innocent. If you interrogated your whiteness and found yourself guilty I suggest you make amends. Hugs and kisses, etc.

by Tuscanite on May 29 2009, 14:12
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@Bollywood King and Dre
This sentence makes me laugh =(She has brains and morals and if she were black she would be president or vice pr)

Wow ,then she must try Black like me or Dark and lovely may be this will make you sleep @night .Otherwise i m glad that you've . .more

by MVPKN on May 29 2009, 14:21
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@ all DA supporters
White Males must get their power back and Zille is done her part with the cabinet, what else think, think,think? Insult every one on your way. Come on guys stop this childish behavior and grow up. ANC is the only party saying SA is for all, white black . .more

by Jan on May 29 2009, 14:28
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Cruella Dezille
Who the hell do you think you are to say Zuma is not fit to govern. A majority of South Africans democratically elected him as their leader. Will you ever be in that position? Remember he is your BAAS!!!!

by azap on May 29 2009, 14:44
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@Student
So true Student and Viva ANC!!
long live ANC!

by MVPKN on May 29 2009, 14:56
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@MVPKN
Thankfully, there are many decent members within the ANC (black and white) who are appalled by this disgusting, degrading mud-slinging and will never associate themselves with the moronic statements made by Heidi Holland or by the likes of people like . .more

by Reitz on May 29 2009, 15:23
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Ooooh! Worms all around! The ANC rules, and will rule the WC!

Mpho -- Hoekom is jy so vreesbevange? Is jy dalk bang word kwaad en dan jy eers afkak. Besef jy dat jou soort vrees kenmerkend is onder mense wat on tiranniese regerings leef?

pfp -- Enjoy NZ. Don't use that phrase "Cry the beloved . .more

by JVR on May 29 2009, 15:30
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@MVPKN
Are you for real? ! - No really ?- Unless you suffer from a health related medical condition-e.g- 'FITH'-syndromme,-( phucked in the head syndr,), you must then have less education than some of your leaders.
Seriously,-you cannot string one sentence . .more

by Voortrekker on May 29 2009, 15:42
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Zuma@azap
is not fit to govern. I said it, and who the hell gives YOU the right to say I have no right to say what I think? I don't care how many people voted for the ANC and the person they appionted as their president. In SA politics voting, for now, is on racial . .more

by mpho on May 29 2009, 16:04
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I am not fond of the way most blacks live does this make me a racist?
Of course not. No doubt many blacks do not like the way coloureds live either. Lions do not live with tigers either.

by Heidi the Racist on May 29 2009, 16:39
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Gotta LOVE Moneyweb
for providing this rich vein of entertainment - the rainbow nation alternately loving and hating each other - very human, very normal.

by Gee Whiz on May 29 2009, 18:13
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For Mischa - Zille questioned by Chris Barron in the Sunday Times
Just noticed your question about Zilles's male cabinet. She is grilled by Chris Barron in his Sunday Times column 2 weeks back - she clearly explains the situation for any person with an iota of common sense.

http://tinyurl.com/mszsf5

by Sad Days on May 29 2009, 19:17
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@Student
Whatever you're studying, I assume you're either failing or really tired from studying, because you miss the point completely... I don't believe anyone brought up a relationship between race and HIV prevalence or promiscuity (must be something you're . .more

by M on May 29 2009, 19:36
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@azap
I also say Zuma is not fit to govern. I have every right to do so. Just as you have every right to say that he is a wonderful guy and will do a brilliant job. I just happen not to believe you, but you're free to keep trying to convince me.

By . .more

by M on May 29 2009, 19:43
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HH vs HZ
Heidi - wake up lassie . Your false propping up of the likes of Bob McApe , President Zuma , the ANC ad nauseam is short sighted . In fact it's akin to feeding bread crumbs to crocs in a croc infested river , hoping to be eaten last .

HZ was . .more

by Green Room on May 29 2009, 20:12
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@M
A few things. Hellen Zille knows nothing about the private life of Jacob Zuma. She is just guessing. Talk of gender oppression and a male sense of self entitlement are just gross generalisations about males and your argument hinges somewhat on a popular . .more

by Student on May 29 2009, 21:11
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@JVR
Waar vandaan kry jy die indruk dat ek "veeesbevange" is? Ek is nie vreesbevange nie; ek's net gatvol omdat jy alewig en tot vervelens toe op dieselfde ou simpel snaar bly tokkel, tw dat die linkses en veral die Black Sash die Boere ondergeploeg het. Dan . .more

by mpho on May 29 2009, 21:20
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Heidi
We could feel sorry for you . The ANC woman in power are controled by the puppet
master , they are just tokens .If they had any real power do you think the violence
against woman would be so high . Do woman and children in South Africa have . .more

by peterbeth on May 29 2009, 22:53
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student
Dear Student
When your studies are finally over and you have graduated from primary school you should have learned that generalisations such as "Trying to stigmatise the Black community as having worse sexual behaviour than whites is just one big . .more

by john kalala on May 29 2009, 23:07
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Onderploegery van Boere
OOOhhhh! Mpho, my F***

Kom ek stel dit so: As die geskiedenisboeke uiteindelik oor die verdwyning van Boere geskryf word, sal die Black Sash en hulle bondgenote (Trevor Huddleston, Joe Slovo, die Anglikaanse Kerk, en dies meer), baie meer . .more

by JVR on May 29 2009, 23:14
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@Student
Back to race are we? I must have missed that part where Zille referred to race - please quote it for me. Thanks.

Ok, back to where you say "Hellen Zille knows nothing about the private life of Jacob Zuma. She is just guessing"... Actually, the . .more

by M on May 30 2009, 07:47
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@Student
By the way, ignore that John Kalala remark about your grammar, it's pretty good (just watch your typing - "dose" instead of "does" twice now). And your logic is not bad either, you're just skipping a couple of empirical steps because you've got this . .more

by M on May 30 2009, 07:53
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@JVR
Kruip? Wat's dit? Seker iets wat na die Engelse oorlog (wat hulle die Boere oorlog noem) ingetree het. Vandag (skat ek) steun meer as 90% van Afrikaners die DA eerder as die VV , en ons kruip beslis nie! kyk maar vir Helen Zille, en voor haar Tony Leon. . .more

by mpho on May 30 2009, 08:43
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Hellen vs Heidi
Wat de hel maak dit saak hoeveel vrouens of mans in beheer van wat is? Wat maak dit verder saak wat die F*** die kleur van jou vel is? Solank jy besef dat jy verkies is om ALMAL se belange te verteenwoordig is die saak reg. Hoe de F*** maak jou geslag of . .more

by Komo on May 30 2009, 10:11
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Heidi vs Helen
Wat die F*** maak jou geslag of die kleur van jou vel saak in jou vermoe om die jop te doen? Solank jy in die belang van ALMAL in jou afdeling regeer en bestuur is die saak reg.

Hierdie oor en weer rassistiese en seksistiese beskuldigings oor . .more

by Komo on May 30 2009, 10:32
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@Komo
Die vuiltaal uitgesonderd, HOOR, HOOR!!.

Mens het nie F en K woorde nodig om 'n punt te maak nie.

by mpho on May 30 2009, 11:02
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Promising
Promising, very promising. There's a new optimism, and we needed it badly. Thanks Helen.

by sirjay jonson on May 30 2009, 20:46
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Dictating the Relationship
I can only expect negative criticisim, if my actions are so. JZ dictated the relationship he now has with the citizens of the RSA. His behaviour has led to the many questions around his morals. If a company is being investigated by the competions . .more

by Adrian Griffiths on June 01 2009, 05:32
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race
hellen you are doing a good job by reviving our race and it proves that we will get back

by trish on June 01 2009, 15:35
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Crawling, no, I meant crawling with fear!
mpho -I am sorry about the delay in responding. Since you are a committed DA supported, I will have to speak to you in the DA preferred language, which is English. In this way I am perpetuating the best of Afrikaner manners.

About crawling? . .more

by JVR on June 01 2009, 15:51
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The true nature of SAcan history: 1806-1994.

Now the true nature SAcan history, 1806-1994.

The defining issues in SAcan history over the last 200 years: (1) the Mfecane, (2) the Anglo assaults on the Boers.

I will only write about (2): When SAcan history is recorded . .more

by JVR on June 01 2009, 16:16
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