A bad week for South Africa

This was a bad, bad week for South Africa. It began badly and it ended badly, with ominous import for the future.

The perceived danger is that the state -- that great organ of coercion, Friedrich Engels's 'bodies of armed men' -- is being degraded into an instrument of brutality and self-enrichment to the advantage of certain selfish sectional interests, as a kind of Mafia. One has every reason to fear this.

If this were so, it would amount to a betrayal of the anti-tribalist heritage of the African National Congress from the time of its foundation as the Native National Congress in 1912, and prior to that, of the ethics of Mahatma Gandhi's initiation of modern liberation politics in southern Africa in the years between 1906 and 1914. It would be a betrayal also of the - at least formally - internationalist principles of the South African Communist Party, from the time of its formation as the Communist Party of South Africa in 1921.

The events of the past week suggest that the ANC which opposed the anti-Indian pogroms in Durban in 1949 is no more, or at least is morally decayed. The spirit of Gandhi, and its further development in the spirit of the 'Doctors' Pact' of 1947 betweeen Dr AB Xuma, Dr Yusuf Dadoo and Dr Monty Naicker, has suffered a severe wounding.

Local ANC political bosses in Durban have endorsed and shielded, even if there were to be proof that they had indeed not initiated, a xenophobic and murderous pogrom launched on the nights of Sunday 27 and Monday 28 September against a peaceable community of shackdwellers, the Abahlali baseMjondolo, who quite properly include a number of isiXhosa-speaking residents, at Kennedy Road in the Durban area, as reported last week (see here).

There is no excuse for anyone who claims to be a democrat in South Africa not to condemn the local ANC state authorities in KwaZulu-Natal for their brutalist support for the pogromists, and there is no excuse not to provide support to the victims. Local state authorities arrested and traduced the innocent, and permitted the guilty to escape.

In a statement issued on October 1, Archbishop Thabo Makgoba, the Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town, supported the brave and principled condemnation of this outrage by Bishop Rubin Phillip, the Anglican Bishop of KwaZulu-Natal, who has provided an outstanding example. Archbishop Makgoba said: ‘I share Bishop Rubin Phillip's view that it is a profound disgrace to democracy, that militia have been allowed to drive out the leaders of the Abahlali baseMjondolo movement, and many hundreds of families with them.'

He continued: ‘When we remember how much we suffered, and how hard we struggled, in order to ensure that an armed minority could no longer exert oppression and deny freedom of speech, of opinions and of dissent, it is completely unacceptable that such intolerance should rear its head again in a different political guise.' He added: ‘I too shall be making political representations,' inviting others to take up Bishop Phillips' proposals for supporting the displaced, whether through political action, through material support, or through prayer for all those injured or bereaved.

‘The people of our country deserve better than this,' he stated. ‘Political leaders and the police must ensure that democracy and the rule of law are upheld.'

It was bad enough that the week began with a pogrom endorsed and shielded by local political and state authorities.

What followed at the end of the week made clear, however, how certain narrow, private and sectional interests now dominate the state in its most crucial department for actual and potential political control of the population, its secret intelligence services. On Friday 2 October, President Jacob Zuma promoted Moe Shaik - brother of the more famous Schabir, released by Zuma on alleged health grounds from a 15-year prison sentence for corruption - as head of Secret Services in a re-organised, centralised and more powerful State Security Agency (see here).

The worthiness of Moe Shaik for control over the secret services of the state may be judged from his political and family connections.

Paul Holden provides an easily accessible profile in The Arms Deal in your Pocket (Jonathan Ball Publishers, 2008), which states:

'Shaik, Mo: former head of ANC intelligence in SA, Shaik claimed in 2003 that Bulelani Ngcuka had acted as an apartheid spy, a charge later dismissed by the Hefer Commission of Enquiry. He admitted under testimony during the Hefer hearings that he had made the allegations against Ngcuka in order to protect the honour of Jacob Zuma. He is brother to Schabir, Chippy and Yunus Shaik.' (pp.272-73, Appendix A),

Holden's biographical note on Moe Shaik's brother Chippy reads as follows:

'Shaik, Shamin "Chippy": A key mover-and-shaker in the Arms Deal. Chippy Shaik was appointed as the Chief of Acquisitions for the Department of Defence in 1998, and was a key player in the evaluation process that led to the eventual selection of the preferred suppliers in the Arms Deal.

'In 2001, the Joint Investigation Report slammed Shaik for failing to recuse himself from meetings at which the selection of [his brother] Schabir Shaik's African Defence System as a subcontractor to supply the information management system for the corvettes was discussed.

'He has subsequently been alleged to have received $3m from a successful bidder in the Arms Deal, but has never been charged on any count of corruption. In 2008 Shaik's PhD degree was withdrawn by the University of KwaZulu-Natal after it emerged that he had substantially plagiarised from other sources in writing his thesis.' (p.273, Appendix A).

It is public knowledge that Moe, Shamin, Schabir and Yunus Shaik were part of Jacob Zuma's underground military and intelligence apparatus within Umkhonto we Sizwe in the Natal/KwaZulu area in the late 1980s, during the last years of the apartheid regime, known as 'Operation Bible'. At this time Zuma was head of counter-intelligence in the ANC's feared Department of Intelligence and Security, known as iMbokodo, the grindstone. Schabir Shaik subsequently became Zuma's personal financial adviser, extending to him significant unpaid loans.

The appointment of Moe Shaik to such a crucial position in the state inevitably recalls the judgement of Judge Hillary Squires in the Durban High Court in June 2005, when he found that the "payments [Schabir] Shaik admitted to having made to Zuma - and Zuma admitted to having received - were made 'corruptly', that his [Zuma's] intention was to 'use the weight of his political offices to protect or further [Schabir] Shaik's business interests'" (Padraig O'Malley, Shades of Difference: Mac Maharaj and the Struggle for South Africa, Viking/Penguin, 2007. pp.434-35).

O'Malley goes on to quote a commment by Yunus Shaik immediately following the conviction of Schabir. The passage states: "The Shaik brothers are unrepentant. 'After the verdict', says Yunus, 'Moe and I discussed among ourselves whether Schabir could have done things differently. And we agreed...that he should have done what he did. He honoured the bonds of friendship. We are proud of our brother'." (p.435)

This appointment inevitably recalls also Zuma's own aborted trial for corruption. It suggests that an improper degree of personal loyalty attaches this new spy chief to the old spy chief of the 1980s, for perceived reasons of factional self-interest and in defiance of the criterion of the public interest. All semblance of civil service impartiality has been abandoned in this most partial and self-serving of appointments.

At the same time, the pogrom attacks at Kennedy Road, and the mendacious, menacing and insulting official responses from the local ANC authorities, cannot fail to suggest the possibility of a state programme of actual or implicit Zulu hegemony, carried out by means of brutal force and institutionalised corruption, to the benefit of President Zuma's intimate supporters. There is an exceptional weighting in this administration to political loyalties rooted in KwaZulu-Natal, and grounded in a noxious regional power apparatus, as the fate of Abahlali baseMjondolo shows.

In a country of historically fractious racial and ethnic divisions, this is a recipe for disaster that would make the late Mbeki administration - for all its entrenched self-interest - look by comparison like a haven of civil security.

If there was one matter which it was essential for President Zuma to have made clear from the first days of his presidency, it was that there would be no ethnic favouritism in his administration. The entire political and constitutional fabric of South Africa is now threatened. So too are the traditional foundations of the two parties of government since 1994, the ANC and the SACP. The promise of racial peace and reconciliation, exemplified by Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, is in tatters.

A recent comment by Richard Pithouse, of Abahlali baseMjondolo, is worth considering. In an article 'Apartheid under a new guise', on Times Live, Pithouse writes: 'When society is very weak in relation to political elites, the point can be reached where politics, in its debased sense, no longer sees any need to hide its crude excesses. On the contrary, it tries to legitimate itself precisely via the public spectacle of its own power. There are occasions when we've come very close to this point in recent years.'

Shaik's appointment as controller of the secret services would seem a further indication of this.

One applauds the example set by the leaders of the Anglican church in KwaZulu-Natal and in Cape Town, in opposing spiritual and moral principle to the conduct of this government. Any decent person should follow their lead.

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What then are you going to write ... ... when the pope is assassinated? - as the old journalist's rhetorical question goes. You should keep quasi-hysterical gigantic claims of the end of the world for really serious issues. This attack, appalling tho it might be, and the . .more appointment of M Shaik to a minor agency, do not signal the end of the world. (And btw you should not publicly find Chippy Shaik guilty until actual evidence exists; it is just as anti-democratic as attacking helpless people in the middle of the night.) The problem with all this wolf crying is that (as you know) when the wolf comes, no one is going to listen to you. I for one have already begun to stop listening. PS Our state is not Engels's body of armed men - it's a body of fat, greedy men. . .less by Jeremy Gordin on October 05 2009, 06:20 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

c`mon C'mon Jeremy, pour yourself another coffee bru........ OK, so the pope is technically still with us but methinks Paul is reporting a gathering of whispering hooded bishops at a shady tavern in the dead of night.....maybe it was a birthday celebration, . .more maybe it wasn't.... . .less by CM on October 05 2009, 08:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

gordin "might be", Gordin ? by witbooi on October 05 2009, 08:44 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

It will be intersting to see whether the British BAE investigation will shed further light on the role of our local criminal cabal. Methinks not unfortunately...BAE will admit guilt without much ado, pay an enormous fine and things will go away. And those evil Shaiks will just carry on . .more shakin. C'est la vie! . .less by Dave on October 05 2009, 09:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

What is this obsession with you have with JZ I am not suprised that Paul Trewhela was able to connect the babrbaric attacks on Abahlali Basemjondolo to President Zuma. This man's obsessive hatred for the President should actually make objective South Africans worried. For some reasons he . .more is always trying to find a way to link the current President to henious deeds commited against people of this country. Few weeks before the elections, he went on a tirade of how murderous the President was in exile, now he is trying to link the support Zuma has in Durban, the appointment of Moe as a head of SASS to the attacks to Abahlali Basemjondolo. What else will he be accusing the President of next week? . .less by Njabuliso on October 05 2009, 09:05 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

With respect Jeremy! You have indulged yourself endlessly on this site. by OBS on October 05 2009, 09:13 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The constitutional state under threat? Indeed it is. Tutu's judgment that one cannot look forward to a Zuma presidency was spot on. Zuma is no friend of law and order, and would have been behind bars had the ANC cadres in the NPA and the NIA not intervened in the judicial process. The . .more country will increasingly be run by political thugs whose primary aim is self-enrichment and score-settling. What else can one expect from the current criminal friendly and largely uneducated ANC leadership? When the planned NHI kicks in, another greenfield of corruption for the benefit of ANC cadres, see emigration of health professionals soar. And when Jimmy Manyi and the equally intellectually challenged Membathisi Mdladlana start with enforcing the racist and unconstitutional provisions of the EE act, the slide to mediocrity and economic disaster will become unstoppable. . .less by flebus on October 05 2009, 09:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

THE TAKING OF SOUTH AFRICA 1.2.3. JEREMY GORDIN. CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU MAY HAVE US BELIEVE, WHEN OMINOUS EVENT SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL IN OUR COUNTRY , YOU WILL BE THE FIRST TO ACTIVATE YOUR EMIGRATION BUTTON TO THE UK. IF YOU PERCEIVE PAUL TO BE OVER THE TOP WITH HIS CORRECT ASSESSMENT . .more ON THE WORRYINGLY TRIBALISTIC AND BLINDLY LOYAL POLITICAL PATTERN IN ZUMA'S GOVERNMENT,DON'T ATTEMPT TO LULL US INTO A FALSE SENSE OF COMFORT TO WHAT IS A SERIOUSLY REAL DEGENERATION OF THE POLITICAL AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN RSA . .less by CHENEYBUSH on October 05 2009, 09:57 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Brave article Keep it up. by BB on October 05 2009, 09:58 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Jeremy Gordin You do NOT remind me of Pastor Niemuller by Plutarch on October 05 2009, 10:08 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Mo's underworld links Fitting really the day Selebi comes to trial we have a replacement, albeit in another security position. http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?art_id=vn20071222081359297C992563 by Annie on October 05 2009, 10:18 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The Blacks manage Soccer the Whites manage Cricket and Rugby Now can you spot the difference and then decide where this country is ultimately heading? Not difficult. Meanwhile the murders rape crime corruption aids and the sad state of the country generally is proof enough. Now we have a Shaik in control!In my . .more humble opinion there is no doubt that we are well on the way to another Zimbabwe. . .less by Compare on October 05 2009, 10:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The ANC is corrupt from Head to toe A significant number of its leaders are simple convicts ie have criminal records for crimes involving dishonesty. This is a gang of thieves plundering wherever they can-mostly from there own misused electorate! The arms deal is a disgrace, The . .more Shaiks are a shame and worst is the ANCs systematic genocide of its own electorate by refusing to address HIV and crime. The leadership deserves to be tried for crimes against humanity! . .less by SAM on October 05 2009, 10:56 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Jeremy Gordin? There's a saying which goes : Lest men suspect your tale untrue, keep probability in view. What is the probability of "Jeremy Gordin" on this blog being THE Jeremy Gordin? ZERO, I'd say. by flebus on October 05 2009, 11:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

AFRICAN LAW African law dictates very clearly that only the strong will survive. Anybody even thinking that the Rule of Law prevails, is in serious need of a wake-up call. It's time to play the game according to the rules given to us. It's no use criticising Jeremy, . .more whether he hates JZ or not, the fact is it is time that we stop wining and do something. If Shaik is such a big no-no, stop crying, wipe the tears from our collective eyes and let's start doing something. I'm not leaving and as I don't need to be part of a crowd, I've decided to stop complaining and will start doing something. No I will not start shooting everybody; there as much better ways that one can employ to solve these matters. To become aggressive will have exactly the same results as trying to solve the matter along legal avenues. . .less by AFRICAN WARRIOR on October 05 2009, 11:41 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Thick as thieves Why the surprise! Its not unusual for crime families to be placed above the law and hold powerful positions (in governments) all over the world. by Fred on October 05 2009, 11:54 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

HERE WE GO INEXORABLY DOWN INTO THE PIT THAT IS THE REST OF AFRICA these people do not see a lack of a moral compass and being economical with the truth as wrongs. for them its one-upmanship. God will be there judge. what they are in effect doing though, is to steal from the futures of the children of this country. . .more especially so, the black children. Buffoons like Malema steal from the children every day with racist rantings, offering no hope for those easily led. Pithouse sums it up precisely when he says " When society is very weak in relation to political elites, the point can be reached where politics, in its debased sense, no longer sees any need to hide its crude excesses." . .less by msholozi on October 05 2009, 11:58 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Plutarch Agree 100%. I find it very ironic that the ANC used to use Martin Niemoller's quote extensively in the 1980's to tarnish the Nat's, now it seems to apply wholeheartedly to them. The wheel turned full circle...?? by Freddie on October 05 2009, 12:26 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Democracy We need to respect the views of two thirds of South Africans who voted the ANC and Jacob Zuma into power. by De La Rey on October 05 2009, 13:23 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zulu vs Xhosa @Msholozi: You have taken this name from it's rightful owner. Get your own please. It's funny when the Xhosas ran the show and appointed their own cohorts to positions of power or first-n-line to stick their snouts into the trough, no-one . .more bothered. Now Msholozi (The real one! ) starts to position all his Zulu connections into positions of power and first -in-line to snuffle from the trough, , suddenly everyone starts to cry foul !! ( The Shaik clan simply bought their way into honourable Zulu status.....Prove me wrong if you can...) It's just like the Arabs and the Jews.....Zulus and Xhosas have a long history of animosity and fueding.....Wake up people, tribalism is still very much alive and well and living in SA!! . .less by Devil's Advocate on October 05 2009, 14:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Dissapointing reaction of my countrymen Paul the problem with your article is that it betrays a lot of underlying prejudice with the current President. He is no moralist nor is he a man for the rule of law, nor is the ANC by the way. The founders of the ANC were for the rule of the law but for . .more their belive in the rule of law they either were tossed in jail, maimed or exiled. the current lot havve learnt well from the previous regime or previous regimes that created mayhem. coming to this sad incident that happened on Kennedy road. Paul it would have been better if we dealt with it and not combine it with all Zuma's sins,which in any case are well known and need not re[peating here. As for Mo Shaik man the guy must be paid for all his efforts nothing wrong here, politicians all over the world appoint their ilk in positions this happens often in the highly vaunted western world so why is it a surpirse when it happens here.The only right thing for this country is establishment of a seriuous political party opposition not the current lot which makes the ANC invnisible and a super political party. this will require people with no prejudice and no vested interest to protect other than protecting the country and its people. . .less by Mototoane Borole on October 05 2009, 14:21 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

it wont go zim but we need to accept standards are gonna drop secure your home,get a boerboel,made in south africa,to keep out south africans by by boerboel on October 05 2009, 14:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

be careful Be careful that your hyperbole does not produce unintended consequences. With your views South Africa may be unjustly shown in a bad light internationally. by King Zwakala on October 05 2009, 14:48 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Kenya? Tribal conflicts predate the arrival of the colonialist whites, who brought civilization to the Dark Continent which has reverted to darkness after 'liberation from Europeans'......SA will be no different. Kenya was also held up as an example........and . .more what remains.....!!??? Africa will always be a victim to its own racisim, the white man acted as a common enemy/buffer.....now what? . .less by Lionel on October 05 2009, 15:05 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

MO So he`s DOUBLE OH MO now, well i never. by James I on October 05 2009, 15:29 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Will detractors start disappearing in the night again ??? Can we look forward to evidence dissappearing and cases being manufactured??? by Stone thrower on October 05 2009, 16:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The Cost of Zuma Although I think Zuma is now doing a semi-good job at the helm of SA, I do think that the means in which he rose to the top are going to cost SA dearly! But he is the chief, and I guess that means he is untouchable! TIA! by Simon on October 05 2009, 16:38 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Dear King Zwakala worry not about an article published on a local website....you should worry about internationally published crime statistics....tourists attacked and murdered, in fact, worry about every edition of "Morning Live" on SABC 2, because the FACTS are putting . .more SA in a bad light....every day...day in, and day out! . .less by Johnny V on October 05 2009, 16:58 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Paul you are either lying or are being misled Get your facts correct Paul, Mo has never admitted that, "he made the allegations against Ngcuka in order to protect the honour of Zuma". Some of us who were present at the commission didn't hear any such utterances. Do not mislead people or be misled by . .more the media as was the case with the "generally corrupt relationship" statment which Squires was attributed to him despite this clearly having been the work of the media disinformation campaign against Zuma. Secondly, Mo never headed the ANC intelligence but instead he headed an operation within this department and to be specific it was Operation Bible. It helps to get the facts straight lest you look like you don't know what you are talking about. Mo is the best man for the job . .less by Zacharia on October 05 2009, 17:10 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

In the coming fight between The Zulus and the Xhosas there will be only one winner. The xhosas. The Zulus might have a reputation as warriors but the facts belie the reputation. They have lost every single major battle ever fought except the Mafikane where they chased . .more a bunch of their own people into the lesotho highlands. Zuma might be sitting on the throne but the wily Xhosas (kinfolk of mr robert mugabe) are merely regrouping after their little rasputin monk made such an idiot of himself. As for the indians who align themselves with one group or another--- they are nothing more than expendable baggage and will be treated accordingly. Domza old fellow . Where are you now that the flak is flying? Hiding under a bush i guess. Domza always was a coward and fits in well with the Karl Niehaus's of this world . .less by Cassandra on October 05 2009, 19:50 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

warriors or cowards im not sure if the Zulus or any of the other black tribes have ever fought where the odds are even. Dingaan's Zulus murdered Piet Retief when they cunningly disarmed him and his men. then they found out where his Boer women and children were camped ( at . .more Blaukrans) and slaughtered 151 children and 56 women along with 41 men. the Zulu Impi were 10 000 strong. then AndrIes Pretorius took 460 men and gave the 10 000 Zulus six love at Blood River. when they came against some resistance they ran for it. Even when they rape and murder an 80 year old woman in a farmhouse in Mpumulanga its usually 4 of them. if they rob and murder a family in their home the odds are usually 4 or 5 of them and heavily armed their favour. when the Xenophobic attacks took place it was always 50 versus 3 or so. never an even match. when an 11 month old infant is raped and sodomised in the townships what type of animal would exact this type of trauma on a defenceless little human being?? When they murdered and chased the original deeds holders of this land, the Khoi San, off their land and stole their cattle, what were the odds?? CERTAINLY, I SEE NO HISTORY OF THESE PEOPLE BEING WARRIORS. But then i suppose the British were no different. I think the Boers were the only pioneers of this country that fought against the odds. . .less by mhlanganyelwa on October 05 2009, 21:00 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP THEN.... People have this tendency of ranting and whining at every decision made by the current government, Even if the decision is morally, academically and economically correct, there is always an element of BUT???? I think we need to get things straight . .more here, Zuma (ANC) was mandated by the people of the RSA to lead, the mandate includes appointing or deploying people that the ANC feels will further that mandate give by the people of RSA. Hence I see nothing wrong with the ANC appointing the cadres that it feels are loyal and capable of furthering the mandate given to it. At the end of the day, it will make no sense to appoint Helen ZIlle, for instance as a Deputy President or even a President of the country, because she will do the natural thing, i.e. to betray the ANC and make sure that her political agenda is furthered. Thus it make sense for the ANC to appoint ANC cadrers who will not backstab or push their own narrow politica agenda. So, PAUL if you do not like the Zuma appointed government leadership, just do the most noble thing, "Participate in the elections and WIN" then you will be able to appoint your own cronnies as well who will be loyal to you. I'm sick and tired of this childish ranting and whinig.... . .less by celemba on October 06 2009, 11:55 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Cassandra What utter nonsense. Look at Angola, Mozambique, Hertzoginia etc. There are no winners in these wars. Only fulls like you believe there will be winners you idiotic Cassandra. This is Anc was founded by multi-tribes man under the slogan Zulu, Mxhosa, . .more MoSotho hlangana. If you knew anything about that you would not even promote this idiotic nonsense. Ithi sikutshele thina esingasanganiswa ubuhlanga la emakhanda . .less by Gambu on October 06 2009, 14:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Gambu What utter C*** you are talking. The ANC was founded on the premise of "How can I get my hands on the cookie jar" by AP on October 06 2009, 15:41 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

When the pope is assassinated Paul Trewhela will blame it on the ANC by Domza on October 07 2009, 09:01 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Who should have filled the posts I can not find a connection between the appointment of Mo and the attack on Abahlali Basemjondolo. How is Jacob Zuma connected to it? Does'nt Mo have the necessary experience for the job? Should Zuma start appointing DA and Cpoe members into . .more all the strategic positions and expect to wake up the next day as President of this Nation? Would he be sick in the mind if he did so? That I would easily answer as a definite "Yes". If he appointed someone else, would Paul Trewhela have not written an article like this one? I think he would have anyway, because its all about comming up with distasteful articles about the JZ and the ANC. . .less by BM on October 09 2009, 09:54 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Political Dissent Tolerance for DISSENT is what we need in this country.Our President accepts it from his political platform anywhere anytime so it is important those rogue elements in the party should question their motive for destroying this important fabric of . .more democracy.Maybe it is empty stomach driving the attacks on innocent people who are hurting no one by their utterances which no force can stop anyway.Let us respect and listen to people rather than attack them, for division will not solve our problem. PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD SAY THINGS THAT YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH BUT PLEASE DONT KILL THEM THEY ARE JUST HUMAN AND INNOCENT.THE PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY HAS NO INTENTION TO KILL THE SAME PEOPLE HE WANTS TO LEAD. . .less by joe on November 16 2009, 10:40 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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