South Africa's ungrateful white minority

Sociologist, Michael Schudson, concurred with my previous article on Julius Malema when he wrote: "Democracy may sometimes require that your interlocutor does not wait politely for you to finish but shakes you by the collar and cries "Listen!" After 15 years of slow transformation and covert resistance to social redress by the minority elite - contained in anti-affirmative action sentiments and others - South Africa has reached this particular phase, and Julius Malema has become a pioneer of this new social order.

Schudson further points out that through misrecognition of democracy, "we call the people who initiate such departures from civility...unreasonable, self-serving, rude, hot-headed, self-absorbed..." It is not a secret that the South African media and their opinion leaders - in their efforts to forge an "illusion of social and/or racial consensus" on issues of black empowerment - find confrontational politics - Malema's brand of politics - repugnant and undesirable. "It is a threat to democracy", they argue.

This "illusion of consensus" - which has the unfortunate outcome of distorting reality - is best captured by former Archbishop Desmond Tutu's "Rainbow Nation" fantasy. Ironically, the sum total of all diversity - as per the rainbow colors - results in "whiteness", which expresses itself through self-serving concepts like civility (e.g. how to think, behave and act), and advocates a fallible perception that genuine and stable democracy should be underpinned by "an exchange of niceties".

For as long as we have opposition parties who champion sectoral interests at the expense of social reform, there will always be a Julius Malema to remind everyone that we are still living in an unequal society which places black people and Africans in particular at the periphery. Thus the interests of these particular social groups must be thoroughly and radically addressed as a matter of urgency.

I also alluded, in the previous article, to the fact that the black majority - through their leadership in the CODESA negotiations - made huge compromises for the sake of building a prosperous South Africa for all. A question then follows: what have the minority elite compromised then, and what are they willing to compromise today?

Was it a culture of entitlement? Was it the ideology of racial superiority? Was it the torture, abuse and repression of the majority? Was it their pension funds and ill-gotten wealth? Was it the stolen land? Any answer to these questions would succinctly craft the necessary role for the minority towards the general social and economic empowerment of the previously disadvantaged. It would also define our democracy, provide stability and usher in a new era of racial relations.

It must be emphasized that the collapse of apartheid cannot be equated to a compromise. It was an inevitable event which would have been propelled by the international economic sanctions and an uprising by the oppressed. Within this context, it must be understood that F.W. De Klerk did not just cease power out of goodwill and conscience of what is right, as suggested by one "concerned young citizen" in an open letter to President Jacob Zuma. The ultimate outcome of CODESA (i.e. the agreement to leave apartheid structures in tact) points precisely to De Klerk and the National Party's prime interests during the process of negotiations.

It is therefore an insult to suggest that the majority must be content with political freedom alone, and everything else must be subject to the competitive advantage of an individual. This kind of thinking demonstrates that many in the minority elite still find it difficult to adapt and come to terms with the special and unique requirements of our present society.

It would be way too early for the minority elite to claim any rights against any measure of social redress. On the contrary, the continued comparison of affirmative action to "reverse apartheid" could only raise suspicions that there is no intention to repent and/or compromise. Expressions that reflect nostalgia about the apartheid era do not help either.

In conclusion, the new social order as led by Julius Malema is one of necessity and an integral phase towards the achievement of African Renaissance.

Setumo Stone is a writer, social commentator and youth activist

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@ Setumo Contrary to what you appear to believe, the vast majority of the people, whites included, do genuinely want to see the upliftment of the lives of the poor. You sprout some rhetoric masquerading as nebulous theories but let's rather think practically. We . .more already have a significant black class of super-rich, a decent and growing black middle-class so any transformation that assists these groups should be exposed for what it is - self-enrichment pure and simple. So, what will be the effect of your "new social order" for the poor (black and white, I might add)? A drop in investments due to semi nationalisation of mines and a reduction in competivity for starters will make the country poorer which will lead to less money available to spend on social upliftment and infrastructure. Then the Orwellian pigs will do what they have to to stay in power - just as an example, hand over productive farms and businesses to friends in return for their support. Can you not see the impending doom inherent in your vision for our country. Oh, maybe you'll be ok, because you'll be one of those getting the handouts but think about your children if you ever have any - do you want them to live in another Zimbabwe, or Nigeria or ... . .less by Wiseman on October 14 2009, 13:21 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

South Africa's ungrateful white minority There are no responses other than mine. How interesting. One can conclude that this rethoric is so ridiculous that it is both beneath contempt and response. Just another politician Malema Clone whom only has credibility with those whom refuse . .more to let go of the past. . .less by Mike on October 14 2009, 13:26 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Yawn What a load of C***. by Jules on October 14 2009, 13:37 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Civility Mr Stone would do well to reflect on the word "civility", and the linked concept of "civilization". Civility means respect. It represents a contact between the members of a society to treat one another in the way that they themselves would like to be . .more treated. It means a recognition of the basic dignity of every human being, and an acceptance of their inalienable rights. Being civil is the way you demonstrate that you are civilized. When Mr Malema acts in his uncouth manner, he is demonstrating a disregard for civilization. It is therefore only natural to assume that when he (and Mr Stone) talk about a "new social order", they are suggesting a move away from civilization as we understand it, and towards its opposite: barbarism. This is a particular shame in a country that only fifteen years ago emerged from its last period of barbarism, an era based on the principle that it was "way too early" for the black majority to claim any rights. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. . .less by NT on October 14 2009, 13:53 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zzzzz... What a load of horse @%$*. The author must have run out of medication. by   on October 14 2009, 14:10 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Why Julius? The article itself I don't have nearly as much of a problem with as why the author would chose to use Julius Malema as some sort of "hero" for this new social order. It's very obvious that he's a moron and couldn't lead us out of a paper bag. He . .more also happily throws lavish parties in his Sandton home and drives million rand BMW's, not very sympathetic with the poor black majority if you ask me, despite what he'll say. . .less by . on October 14 2009, 15:37 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Racism the most amzing thing about articles like these is how it proves that black people really are the most racist against their own. These writers harp back on the fact that white people must lift up their black bretheren ...... for crying out loud, what . .more about black people, communities, businesses pulling themselves by the straps, and start doing it themselves. why is it that whites have to draw you out of poverty? . .less by Realist on October 14 2009, 19:34 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Get a life! Ag please man get a life! They call you a youth activist? Ag shame man, shame! by Hendrik de Villiers on October 14 2009, 20:23 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

you must geeve me and the opinion of Stone succinctly puts "entitlement" into perspective. Mr Stone, 95% of whites and indians Matriculate. Less than 32% of blacks can make that same claim. We are now in our third post apartheid complete school career phase, and . .more yet the stats remain the same. Just be (or is that BEE) honest with yourself. blacks simply don't want to compete, let alone excel. sort out your attitudes, make some effort, and it will happen automatically, BTW, I have lost R10 of thousands in investment in black start ups. The moment a little effort is required, they bail out. Want to know what the real problem is, Mr Stone, then look in a mirror. . .less by Peter on October 14 2009, 21:17 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Idiot God help you all when you make the whites angry enough to fight back! by Martinus on October 14 2009, 21:26 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Get real, Setumo You title this rubbish "South Africa's ungrateful minority" and yet you provide no justification for this title. Why are we ungrateful? What are we supposed to be grateful for? Is it the fact that our education system has been destroyed? Or the . .more diabolical state of our healthcare system? Or maybe for BEE and AA, which really is a great gift to white people? How about the fact that we are constantly accused of racism and yet, when any of the black people I know need help, they turn to white people? Maybe we should be grateful for idiots like you and your hero, Julius who constantly remind us of the stupidity of the masses of this country who keep voting for the ANC and their lies, while they are being plunged into ever-greater poverty so that the ruling elite can continue to line their own pockets!! And just for the record, I am an African!! I was born in Africa. I do not belong in any other country or continent, despite your desire to be rid of me because I am white. African is a term for those from Africa, which, I hate to break it to you, includes white Africans, coloured Africans and Indian Africans. Get over it. . .less by Samjank on October 14 2009, 22:39 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

idiot! articles such as these make white people racist towards blacks. so stop writing them! the problem with SA is that we allow blacks to insult whites, and it is considered okay. turn the tables around then whites are considered to be racist! so do us all a . .more favour and find better uses for your talent as a writer. . .less by darren on October 14 2009, 22:48 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Spot the white Question.... where have all teh whites gone. All and most services hotels, restaurants, banks, hospitals, post office an so on. Is this not a compromise. All teh foisting of BEE down our throats. Is this not a compromise? The one sided article seems not . .more to apprecaite such compromises. We want change, we will enjoy those that want to change with us. The arrogance of the rest I don't need. The lawless taxi society, corrupt govt and so. Lets work together but please dont tell me what to do. . .less by Brian on October 15 2009, 08:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

cracker will react to this Truth hurts by Black Jesus on October 15 2009, 08:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Whites did compromise Yes they did.....the ANC never had any power to fight them. We would have been dead if the ANC went to war with the white government...by We I mean Blacks by Nwali on October 15 2009, 08:48 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Patric Bodiba Mr Stone... ironically your surname aptly describes your abality to take in reality! What you refer to as "after 15 years of slow transformation and covert resistance to social redress by the minority..." is, to put it mildly... warped! Mr Stone, the . .more so-called "minority" has the inherent ability and capability of analysing, assessing and - actually comprehending the reality! Why do you think the so-called "minority" have constantly tried to access negotiation forums to part knowledge regarding administration, technology etc? It is because of the inherent aptitude to actually "think for themselves" to actually "do something" about their circumstances, to actually contribute positively towards society - not blaming and lamenting on some warped oppressive system and ideology! The best thing that could have happened to the Afrikaner, for instance, was the Anglo-Boer War, for the Japanese, Hiroshima and Nagasaki... look at where they are now... How come the African people - minority excluded - still have the mindset of blaming oppression for their inability to progress...? Come on, grow up! PS: I am of mixed race (African and European) so do not blame me for commonsense! . .less by Stone's Inept Analysis on October 15 2009, 08:50 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Stone's Inept Analysis Mr Stone... ironically your surname aptly describes your abality to take in reality! What you refer to as "after 15 years of slow transformation and covert resistance to social redress by the minority..." is, to put it mildly... warped! Mr Stone, the . .more realities of our country can not be negated, but... the so-called "minority" has the inherent ability and capability of analysing, assessing and - actually comprehending the reality! Why do you think the so-called "minority" have constantly tried to access negotiation forums to part knowledge regarding administration, technology etc? Why do you think the so-called "minority" have constantly acheived success in every venture they embark upon? It is because of the inherent aptitude to actually "think for themselves" to actually "do something" about their circumstances, to actually contribute positively towards society - not blaming and lamenting on some warped oppressive system and ideology! The best thing that could have happened to the Afrikaner, for instance, was the Anglo-Boer War, for the Japanese, Hiroshima and Nagasaki... look at where they are now... How come the African people - minority excluded - still have the mindset of blaming oppression for their inability to progress...? . .less by PAtric Bodiba on October 15 2009, 08:54 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

"Led by Julius Malema..."? Brahaa...is that your "Leader", a semi-literate buffoon that is a caricature of an African despot. BTW, you'll never get the Whitey's cash, haven't you worked that out by now..duh, its only been 15 years and you still haven't got it! by Ken Doll on October 15 2009, 09:00 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Who Cares What Happens to SA? We're outta here in April, going to live with our money. Ahh, finally civilisation. Who cares what happens here with the 'Comrades' and 'Revolutions' and other Afro-rubbish. Some nice beaches though, will give you that ;) by Hanspeter on October 15 2009, 09:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@all of you Always the case,we are so stupid we go down to the most base of our instinct, rubbishing each other in reflex reaction to any idiot with access to a computer. Despite what Mr Stone or any of you here says, things are changing in this country. . .more Yes, very slowly, but they are changing: - Every year more black kids are getting into tertiary institutions, getting jobs and making their lives better. - More white kids are learning to look beyond the colour of other people, and rather read their character. This is reality, that's what happening out there, while you and I, and Mr Stone are here, busy ripping each other to pieces, trying to out-hurt each other, dwelling on what happened, and generally being predictably provoked to a predictable reaction. Racial polarisation only serves the likes of Malema. Oh!!, but what a trick, works everytime with us... . .less by KhulGaz on October 15 2009, 09:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Communist revolution for luxory cars? LOL So Codesa failed as an exercise of compromise? Would you have preferred a civil war like in Angola, Mozambique or Zimbabwe? Just look at the devastation what the comrades created there! The ANC should get its act together and DO SOMETHING for the poor . .more instead of squadering public money on luxory cars! The ANC cannot cover up for its incompetence to deliver and that is the point. Stop whailing about the whites.! . .less by voelvry on October 15 2009, 10:10 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

South Africa's ungrateful white minority Setumo Stone you have hit the nail on its head. I also appreciate your analysis on Mr. Malema's politics. He addresses the issues that need to be addressed those that directly relate to the demise of a democratic state. South Africa is banana republic. . .more It has become so because of the outcomes of the CODESA negotiations. The ANC and its military wing made a mistake by being assimilated into the South African state apparatus before reform was achieved. The South Africa state is a model based on the aspirations of apartheid . We should have held on to our guns untill we were satisfied with the level of transformation. That is the only language whites understand. Whites still torture and kill balcks all over South Africa and get away with it. Malema is teaching black South Africa's not to be slaves in our own country why should we shy away from saying the things that are really happening as if we are afraid that we are going to be detained by the apartheid security forces. There's a Malema in each and evryone of use it must come out be free live my brother. . .less by Red apple on October 15 2009, 10:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

I'm truly sorry. Dear Mr Stone, I'm truly sorry that I'm such a wretchedly ungrateful white person. I'm sorry abut the things some distant, unrelated other white person may have done, and I am truly sorry for the things my yet-to-be-born grandchildren may do. In . .more fact I'm sorry about the daily sunrise and that pesky sunset. Please, please forgive me. . .less by Bruce on October 15 2009, 10:20 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

4 sure stone I don't get how can AA and BEE be racist. How can empowering the sons and daughter of the soil be racist? This supremacist line of thought is getting out of hand, some people are too comfortable in their own skin. If it takes Malema to tell them then let . .more it be, we've compromised so much and they're still bickering. They want to slice the cake, the whole cake and nothing but the cake. . .less by spikiri on October 15 2009, 10:29 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

What about the black majority raped by the ANC mafia? Forget all whites! That Soviet mob has been robbing its own black majority for 15 years. And its supporters, like the above deceiver, Setumo Stone, will not be able to rely on "Wit Gevaar" fear mongering much longer to sustain their shameless rape, . .more pillage and plunder. . .less by Siegfried Hannig on October 15 2009, 10:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

You can have it back No wonder the country is in the crapper if people like you continue to believe the stuff you do. Which army or police did you defeat whites with? You had none. Oh, we whites handed these forces over? I see. What portion of the population voted by 70% to . .more change the political dispensation in 1992? Oh the whites.. Did they have to? NO. With Africa's most powerful army and police force we could have held out for another 350 years. Which portion of the population has been excluded from government and parastatal jobs and BEE? Hmm, whites. See where I'm going with this? The problem with people like you is that you believe whites were defeated in some mythical battle when they were not. You had terrorists who were adept at blowing up public toilets that's all. But it's inconsequential, I have left the country with my two engineering degrees, all my assets and my family so you can have whatever is left. I expect it to look like Zimbabwe inside five years. Enjoy eating rats like the Zims. . .less by Mark B on October 15 2009, 10:41 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Setumo Stone Julius Melema and Setumo Stone are both idiots. Both of them have no inkling of what they are talking about - they were most probably just out of nappies in 1994. The majority of supporters of this Government of ours only know one culture and that is . .more "we demand, we demand and we demand some more". What about earning what you are demanding instead of expecting it for free? Has Setumo Stone ever experienced being demoted because of your skin colour, deprived of what you worked so hard for and then having to sit back and see years of work going to dirt because your new "supervisor" hasn't an inkling of what he/she is doing? Was Stone ever turned away from Varsity because he does not belong to the "majority of grateful blacks" - bet you all that he/she hasn't. What has this Govrnment done during the last 15 years except break down the infra structures that existed before 1994? . .less by Jo-Jo on October 15 2009, 10:43 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@spikiru get a job, and stop stealing cakes by Realist on October 15 2009, 10:46 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Today's 1976-style unrest refutes this deceiver! I have no respect for people who make our national roads untravellable. But they might quickly unseat the scum which provokes that abomination from Luthuli House, if propagandists like the Setumo Stone, Sipho Seepe and Xolela Mangcu did not . .more intimidate them with a non-existent threat of white domination. . .less by Siegfried Hannig on October 15 2009, 10:49 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Mr Stone We should not be lending credence to this article by Mr Stone by responding to it. It is, as is all his rhetoric, nothing but inflammatory and racist drivel. by BS on October 15 2009, 10:52 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Stone Comrade you have actually summarised facts in this article. Keep writing and we will defend you. The hot air responses are just reactionary bahaviours. We got used to them during the struggle. Until the Africans are economically emancipated liberation has . .more not been realised. . .less by Pops on October 15 2009, 10:56 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

LOL Stone and Melema are total idiots... and sometimes funny ones at that by An ungrateful white minority on October 15 2009, 10:56 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Codesa farce Ha! Even Ramaphosa acknowledged the weakness of the whites at the Codesa negotiations. After dancing with Roelf Meyer at the celebration party after the talks, Ramaphosa was heard to comment that he wouldn't be so happy if he had been in Meyer's shoes. by Wendy on October 15 2009, 11:00 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Stone supports racism and racial discrimination against whites. Sensible people were under the impression that the ANC and its supporters were genuine in their proclaimed commitment to the settlement at CODESA which led to a new South Africa under a new constitution founded on values including : human dignity and . .more non-racialism and non-sexism; and including a Bill of Rights promising equality which includes 'the full and equal enjoyment of all rights and freedoms." The constitution also guarantees freedom of association, proclaiming "Everyone has the right to freedom of association." It is this latter right which has been trampled on by racist BEE and EE laws and AA practices. Section 36 of the constitution does allow for the limitation of rights under certain provisos, the most salient being that "the limitation is reasonable and justifiable in an open democratic society based on human dignity, equality and freedom...." In the ANC garden, the "ungrateful whites" have had their freedom of association drastically and unconstitutionally curtailed by BEE and EE legislation. Where, in an open democratic society, will one racial group be legally required to have a partner from another racial group without a similar racial requirement being demanded of the other group? How does this square with non-racialism? So, what other indignity does Stone wish upon these "ungrateful whites"? . .less by flebus on October 15 2009, 11:16 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Stone(d) In one of your inane blogs, where as usual you get your facts incorrect (Blatter is Swiss not French), (Sports Leader, 15 July 2009), you refer to your (and you mates) preference for "Charles, Jack and Johnny"? Methinks you (along with your Gat Gabba and . .more Carpenter-in-Chief, Jules Malema) have been imbibing far too much of these "civilised" beverages!! . .less by Richard on October 15 2009, 11:25 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Who is responsible for the competitive advantage of individuals Once again the problem is being turned into a racial issue to maintain the divide in South Africa. The problem around social equality is service delvery not an ungrateful white minority. Education, Health, Transport, Housing, Water, . .more Electricity. Are the failures of the Standerton and other municipalities the fault of an ungratefull white minority. Are the same minority responsible for the arms deal, SABC, Eskom , transformation etc... Certainly not, the responsibility lies with those in government, the policy makers (government) and the implementers (civil service). I quote: It is therefore an insult to suggest that the majority must be content with political freedom alone, and everything else must be subject to the competitive advantage of an individual. It is the responsibilty of government to ensure the competitive advantage of its citizens. This is achieved through education, health and access. The ANC by your own admission has failed in each of these foundations of competive advantage. Perhaps one of the reasons that the ANC has failed is becasue it has persued sectoral interets rather than those of true social reform. . .less by Andrew on October 15 2009, 11:29 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Stone's stupidity. Most of my life I worked as an academic both in teaching and administration. I studied hard and worked hard; saved and did not pollute the environment with hordes of undernourished brain-damaged kids. And here's this black racist retard referring to the . .more modest amounts I earned through hard work as my "ill gotten gains". What a stupid are sole! In my entire life I did not earn as much from taxpayers' as the one-off "golden handshakes" given to exiting incompetents such as Dali Mpofu and the other creatures kicked out at SAA, nor as much as the annual pickings gathered in by the under-performing dunderheads at Denel and ESKOM. . .less by Grated and disgruntled White on October 15 2009, 11:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Setumo Stone and Red Apple et al What the hell are you talking about? For crying out loud and not too civilized, don't you have a black government or not? Where is all the tax payer's and other mostly "white" money going. Have you ever tried to trace it? You guys seem . .more retarded. I am a foreigner and had so much sympathy with the "struggle". I was such an idiot! . .less by Klaus in RSA on October 15 2009, 11:34 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Is this a joke? The ANC had for too much over the last 15 years. The treasury frequently reported that few of the state departments were able to spend their budgets on service delivery. We also know that most of the spending went to waste on corrupt arms deals, MP travel . .more scams, luxury vehicles, absent state employees, funding disfunctional semi-state enterprises like SAA, legal fees for ANC political wars and a corrupt BEE housing providers (to name a few). Unfortunately we can not take the blame this time. This is an ANC failure. . .less by Ha ha on October 15 2009, 11:39 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Very true They should leave SA or tow the line more is yet to come by Zwide on October 15 2009, 11:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Youth upliftment Can journalist run a story on what he is doing for socio-economic youth upliftment in his personal capacity and not as an organisation. The organisation is made up of hearts and minds of individuals. I would like to read about the Good he is doing or not . .more doing so I can have a crystal picture of whether he's speaking for the masses or himself. As I understand he is staying in a R11million rand house alone with bodyguards, own's Merc's, 4x4's, Harley Davidsons, the lot, whilst an average poor person lives in a house less than R200k and uses taxi as a mode of transport. We should cut the race and rather use the economics to determine who should do what. . .less by DD on October 15 2009, 12:05 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Another Victim of his Own Colour What Exactly do you want from the whites? Make your point. What do you want me to do as a white person. Get to grips with your colour man. by J on October 15 2009, 12:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Zwide, Setumo, Stone and Red Apple et al Put on your loin cloths, run nto the bush, pick your noses and act naturally. by JACK on October 15 2009, 12:56 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

South Africa's ungrateful white minority This person talks just as much K** as Malema.... by Charl on October 15 2009, 13:23 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

ungrateful bastards. its true u all are....How do you repay apartheid? and we still have to listen to all the gabbage above. by reggy on October 15 2009, 14:20 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Africa has always been backward Putting a man in space is not the same as putting a bone through your nose. As soon as the Comarade Revolutionaries realises this little detail, the better for them. by Ken Doll on October 15 2009, 14:25 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

madness what you people don't understand and forget is that blood is red. When you die you take nothing but remains behind you what kind of seed you planted. I am not african married to coloured african I guess that is a problem for you !!! . The history . .more never finishes is not whites mistake that Hitler wanted to have the entire world ; is not black skin mistake God make them like that as i guess you don't burn under hot sun.You been given the pigment with a reason. On the other hand if whites would'nt exist what would SA level of development would be??What i believe you should try and do is give your children better education and rights;maintain commitment and marriage to be respected with God fears (a way of preventing HIV,STD ,unhappy and neglectedchildren) And learn to work togheter and if you black society believe you better thereafter behave and speak as should be. . .less by Other on October 15 2009, 14:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Malema stays in a R11m house alone? I also want to know what is he doing as an INDIVIDUAL to uplift the youth of this country. by Gazi on October 15 2009, 14:54 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

that boy malema If he is leading I am getting the P**** out of this country. Not because i is chicken, but because everyone else with at least half a brain will be doing the same. julius couldn't lead himself into temptation, nevermind lead people into the future. 20% . .more for woodwork, 100% P**** up! . .less by whips excite me on October 15 2009, 15:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Blacks with chips Just another racist black "J.A.C.K" with a chip on his shoulder! by John on October 15 2009, 16:53 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

BEE and BEEE I have a friend who owns a successful company. To expand business he "sold" (haha) a 40% stake to a black equity partner. This paid off to some extent, so he is not too peeved by it; but one very big company which does business with government will not . .more take him as a supplier because his black equity partner is "coloured" and not a real black. Maybe the pencil test will be replaced a light reflection test. Only in Africa can a system in which the racial majority steals from racial minority businesses be deemed to be the equivalent of western-style "affirmative action". As for white Africans leaving the country, I guess the country would be much better off if black racist parasites who live off the taxpayer were to emigrate to Zim. They'd fit in nicely there; the Americans and other western country bleeding hearts will gladly continue to feed them. . .less by flebus on October 15 2009, 17:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Setumo Stone Setumo Stone? Setumo Thick as a Brick, methinks. MK could hardly wipe their own arseholes, never mind overthrow the Apartheid govt. Every black I know from other parts of Africa tell me they have never seen such a lazy, bone-idle lot of beggars . .more as SA blacks. The Conglolese kids in the school I work in are way ahead of the local black kids. No wonder our blacks hate the 'amaMakwerekwere', they are scared they are being shown up for the lazy bums they are. . .less by Jeff on October 15 2009, 19:14 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

race well, clearly this author is unfamiliar with the freedom charter. Try reading it, is my advice. by witbooi on October 15 2009, 19:19 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

You are quite simply wrong Mr Stone Julius Malema is as racist as Eugene Terreblanche. It is NOT reverse racism, it is RACISM, pure and simple, the stuff the ANC used to hate but have now embraced with as much enthusiasm as the Nats ever did. The main difference between Eugene and Julius is . .more that at least Mr Terreblanche is a man of reasonable intelligence. What is so sad about the route that the ANC is taking SA is not just the blatant racism which they like to pretend is morally OK (just like the Nats tried to justify apartheid using the Bible) it is the sheer stupidity that is being embraced by the ANC with such ardent enthusiasm. Cringe the beloved country. South Africans are hanging their heads in shame and embarrassment at the leaders their country is producing. Are these poor excuses for leaders the best that the party that created Mandela can find from their ranks. What thinking people should do as an interesting exercise is ask black South Africans, out of genuine interest, if they voted for the ANC. If they say yes, then ask them, with sincerity, to kindly list the reasons why. Explain that you can't understand why a party that has achieved so little in 15 years would be anyone's first choice. I myself am genuinely curious. What do these people think the ANC will give them. My own dark skinned employees long ago saw the truth and now all vote DA . .less by Sad days on October 16 2009, 00:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

GDP What has the Blacks done in SA besides take all it can get and produce phuk all . What has the majorety black race done for the GDP for SA . Phuk all , TO PHUKING USELESS TO DO ANYTHING BUT BURN , DESTROY AND rape . and kill white people . .more ./ . .less by Dilligaf on October 16 2009, 00:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Mein Kampf This Stone character is pukka Hitler Youth material by Bokfan on October 16 2009, 11:40 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Brilliant site Keep it up folks by Bokfan on October 16 2009, 11:41 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Reggy and his "ungrateful bastards" Thanks, sounds really good. But for what should the bastards be grateful? Just some thoughts on the ANC government's successful measures: The latest armament scandal: They ordered 8 (!) transporters. What for, just for the officials feeling of . .more grandeur. The cost equals 47 000 000 000 (9 seros!) Rand. Asume one humble RDP house costs 20 000 Rand. That means, one could buillt with that amount of money 2 000 000 (two million) houses. Say each family has 5 members. That means, 10 000 000 (ten million) out of 45 000 000 (45 million) would live under a dry roof. Well, I know, those smiling South Africans would be still very hungry and thirsty. Take the other money not being spent for the "poor" to improve the supply with water etc and the agricultural skills in rural aeras including the necessary research. Everyday I see 4 frigattes lying in Simon's Town harbour. And they planned 1 or 2 more to fulfill South Africa's international duties and responsibilities (grandeur isn't it, as long there are so many have nots). Take the latest ministerial spending: 1 automobil at 1 200 000 (1.2 million), a car costing 400 000 would have been quite adequate (don't forget the poor on foot!), saving 800 000 = 40 houses with 200 happy South Africans. You might have heard about the extras for the car = 99 000 Rand. Yes, bastards are ungrateful. . .less by Klaus in RSA on October 16 2009, 17:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

What do whites want blacks to do besides die? If I read these responses right it would seem the majority of whites are pissed off that blacks seem unable to accumalate capital and develop in the same way they did. ie: Trek into a virgin landscape, sieze productive land and resources from poorly armed . .more natives and then put those same natives to work as slave labour. Any way you want to spin it that first freebie, the fruits of which have been handed down the last few genarations, is the main reason whites are rich today. Sure, there was a lot of hard work and thought put into the project too but none of it would have mattered without that first massive capital injection. Unfortuanately there isn't a brand new Africa next door for blacks to settle and follow this example so they have to think of something else. I often ask whites what they would do to uplift themselves if they were a unemployed, semi-litirate shack dweller - a hypothetical what-if scenario. To date I have not recieved a single remotely realistic reply. I would really like someone like Dilligaf or Bokfan to give it a try because we really need an answer to this question. What can poor semi-litirate people do better and more chaply than a Burmese slave labourer, with no capital, no skills, no business experience, no land, no economy of scale? . .less by Benny on October 18 2009, 00:45 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Benny There are millions of poor whites in Europe but they dont go on a killing spree like thousands of RSA blacks do. They dont rape and murder like it is normal behaviour. They work as best they can and invest into their children so that their next generation . .more is uplifted. Why must "poor" in RSA justify rape, murder and carnage! RSA or in fact the whole of Africa's blacks will always have a "slave mentality" and will always blame colonialism. It is their comfort zone. . .less by J on October 19 2009, 12:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ Benny Boy Benny you are a A******* big time . for a start i owned a Engineering company for 20 years . Then i got sick of you phukers with your BEE, BEEE , BBBEEE , AA etc .SO I CLOSED SHOP , HENCE MORE BLACKS OUT OF WORK . SICK AND TIRED OF THE . .more ANC , MELEMA , BLACK GOVERNMENT TELLING US TO LEAVE SA IF WE WHITES DON'T LIKE IT . SO LIKE I SAID , PHUK YOU ALL , I CLOSED SHOP . NOW YOU ASHOLE BENNY , I INVEST ON THE JSE STOCK MARKETS , THATS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING , NO BLACK PHUKERS LIKE YOU TELLING ME WHAT TO DO , JUST ME AND THE MARKETS AND MY WHITE MANS BRAINS . WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO BENNY WITHOUT THE WHITE MAN AND THE BBBEEE, BEEE, BEE , AA ETC WHEN IT ALL GOES TO S*** LIKE ZIMBABWE AND YOU NEED THE WHITES TO COLONIZE RSA AGAIN TO SAVE YOUR SORRY BLACK PHUKING USELESS ARSES . .less by Dilligaf on October 20 2009, 01:37 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Ungrateful for chaos? Form a personal point of view Mr Stone, I am not ungrateful. I am grateful for the fact that I live in a society that respect the order of law. The simple fact that if I coexist with other human beings in peace, those that act in an anti social manner . .more will be punished. That there are structures placed in society that will protect democracy and equality for all. I am grateful that I left people like you behind in South Africa with your racial hate mongering, for the sake of a Renaissance, a word that set my forefathers free, and by which you try and bind me to the past. Most of all I am grateful that I am free of such a racist mentality as yours, and I no longer have to live in the past. That is the reason why most of us leaving South Africa, because of people like yourself. As for you Sir, you are an ungrateful individual to insult the life work of a noble man, Archbishop Desmond Mpilo Tutu. A man who dedicated his life to the pursuit of racial harmony, and you choose to insult him. Shame on you and your kind. You are not worthy of his dream, neither to a future of racial harmony in South Africa. . .less by Dresie on October 21 2009, 22:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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