Enough of the Zuma bashing!

There's a moment - I don't know if you also recall it - towards the end of The Silence of the Lambs, when Clarice Starling sees Hannibal Lecter for the last time. She implores him for a clue to the identity of "Buffalo Bill," the man who's been killing and skinning women. And they have the following conversation:

Lecter: First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek?
Starling: He kills women...
Lecter: No. That is incidental. What is the first and principal thing he does? What needs does he serve by killing?
Starling: Anger, um, social acceptance, and, huh, sexual frustrations, sir...
Lecter: No! He covets. That is his nature. And how do we begin to covet, Clarice? Do we seek out things to covet? Make an effort to answer now.
Starling: No. We just...
Lecter: No. We begin by coveting what we see every day. Don't you feel eyes moving over your body, Clarice? And don't your eyes seek out the things you want?

I was cogitating on this passage and thinking about Melanie "good breast/ bad breast" Klein, a complicated shrinkette if ever there was one, who wrote the book, literally and figuratively, on covetousness and envy: Envy and Gratitude, not to mention Love, Guilt and Reparation.

My musings came in the wake of Sunday's "revelation" about President Jacob G Zuma having engendered a 20^th child because .....because, geez, have you ever encountered, listened to or read such an outpouring of pathetic, heart-tearing envy in your life?

From Redi Direko on Radio 702, to Justice Malala and Phylicia Oppelt in The Times, to Helen Zille in Cape Town (well, sort of expected it from her), to the Rev KRJ Meshoe, MP, of the ACDP and the whinnying legal expert Pierre de Vos, what a bunch of Mother Grundys...!

Let's get a few things in perspective, shall we? We Africans are, as Alex Shoumatoff wrote 22 years ago, a sex-positive bunch. We like to slip, and to receive, what the late Frank Zappa, may his memory be blessed, referred to as the big chiluga. We're a fun-loving bunch. As far as I can tell, everyone, everyone, in this country - except me, and maybe not my wife - is going at it like a jack rabbit.

My son has joined a soccer academy and I have had to spend some time recently at the big mother of Virgin Active gyms in Johannesburg - Old Ed's - and, boy, o baby, what a collection of bodies! What buttocks, what arms, what glistening, sweaty and perspiring limbs, what proud balconies - and all of it clearly on display. Why? Because they want to get fit? Keep diabetes type 2 at bay?

Yeah, partially - but mainly, let's be frenk (as we say in SA), because they all want to be on show: it's a 21^st century, urban, mating ritual. Crowd into this big hall with a bunch of other sweaty humans in a state of undress ... and wop-bop-a-loo-bop you might be slipping or receiving the big chiluga pretty soon. Goodness, before you know it, you might even be making a little nest and starting a family.

This being the case, why the righteousness and fuss about JZ slipping the big chiluga when opportunity knocks?

It's envy, I tell you. Now there is what I call positive envy. For example, I envy Zuma, but I envy him admiringly: I should be so lucky as to be making babies when I'm 67. I can hardly get out of bed, let alone go through the necessary gymnastics of making the beast with two backs.

However, the folks mentioned above, they have fallen prey to negative envy. They just don't want Zuma to have a good time. There is just something about the man that goes straight up people's noses (I speak metaphorically, you understand).

The media has gone so overboard for the past seven or so months being good to Zuma that such people have been left bewildered and bereft - and then, boom, we learnt on Sunday that Zuma had another so-called love child (shouldn't they be called sex children?). All was well again, the polar star was in the right place, they heaved a sigh of relief, and they could return to attacking the poor fellow.

Direko became holier-than-thou because, according to her, Zuma is, as president, the embodiment of our national values and principles.

Redi, hon, if I want someone to be my moral avatar, I'll look to the chief rabbit (as my children used to call the chief rabbi when they were small), or maybe the local priest, or - if you want to me to be serious - a truly moral person such as Paul Verryn. Zuma is the president of the ANC and therefore the president of the country - all the result of a process that has precious little to do with values and principles. I'm not saying that's a good thing; I'm merely remarking that that's real life.

Or listen to Oppelt. "If [Zuma] was [she meant "were"] anyone but the president ... I would have ... written him off as a dirty old man who has more sperm than brain cells." (What wit! What a turn of phrase!) Why is a person of 67 who wants to have sex with someone he likes and apparently to have babies "a dirty old man"? Why does the desire to slip the big chiluga suggest there are no brain cells? This is just thoughtless rubbish; and, gadzooks, it goes on, growing progressively more moronic.

"What is [Zuma's] message to [the younger generation?" Oppelt asks rhetorically. "Take whoever [she meant "whomever"] you want, have sex however you want, and behave in any manner you want because there are no consequences to immoral and irresponsible behaviour".

This is unadulterated poppycock. What is immoral and irresponsible about making love to someone you like and making a baby? What is this "take whoever you want" nonsense? Are we to understand that his partner - apparently a "bank executive" - had no say in the matter? What is this "have sex however you want"? Listen, this might come as a surprise to Phylicia and to Zackie Achmat and to Nathan Geffen, but there are some people who - having established that neither of them has HIV - and maybe having established that they would like a child - choose not to use a condom.

But enough. Headline of the saga goes to The Star yesterday: "Zuma told to come clean". Guys, he did come clean - and straight and true. Spear of the nation.

And remember, it's not Zuma's love life that matters. It's the economy, stupid; and the justice system, and Julius Malema, and our education woes, and our health woes. Those are the areas where indignation and righteousness are called for.

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okay, okay I wish Zuma comes after your daughter Jeremy Gordin and let's see how you'd like that. by Dudu on February 04 2010, 01:13 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Jeremy you're like a wuss watching a Dirty Harry movie... a wannabe Zuma is "our father" or something along those lines according to our good buddy young Julius. Now this "father" of ours (and they say you can't choose your parents... true for many of us) preaches that polygamy means he is open about having many wives, . .more yet he still feels the need to screw around behind his wives' backs... and not with just anybody; he still manages to stab his "friend" Irvin in the back at the same time. That's not really the best parental example to set for us children - a country beset with crime, besieged by HIV, and with a zillion teenage pregnancies that will in all probability limit the prospects of the mothers-to-be and therefore by definition the children-to-be. The point Jeremy, as so vividly illustrated by our "father" himself, is that he is a liar and a cheat, unworthy of the trust of a nation (or in fact anyone). The point is often made that he has an easy charm... no secret there; such charm usually comes as standard issue with the ability to lie with conviction and ease. Jeremy, your insistence that this is all ok, and we're overreacting or just suffering from negative envy really shows us that you really really want to be able to pull chicks like Zuma. This is a natural reaction in one who can't... but you don't have to lie and cheat to pull chicks... and ability doesn't equate to necessity. . .less by M on February 04 2010, 06:08 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

zuma, gordin you're still rocking pops. keep it up by jake pegaleg on February 04 2010, 07:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

was there a purpose to printing this? Even from Zuma's wannabe Praise singer this projected nonsense is nauseous. I honestly fear for your soul. A cursory glance over the P******* public response from the President would show the derth of capacity for this man to feel shame or take genuine . .more responsibilty. To be quoting the Child Act and blaming the nation for its reaction is laughable. I wonder when Zuma falls out of favour, how many Gordin's will be desperately trying to erase their public utterances? . .less by X on February 04 2010, 07:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zoom Zoom South Africa's very own Tiger Woods. by Tokkie on February 04 2010, 08:00 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

My Little Head made me do it I'm sure Jeremy is in discussion with his friend on the matter of lobolla and compensation. I am sure he assists in the whitewashing of Zuma and the demonisation of the media and anybody appaled by his friend's behaviour. Anyway, no . .more regrets from the man with his sense of judgement centred in the small head and his brains washed out by the shower attachment on top of his other head. He should have thought of the child and family when he did the deed. http://letterdash.com/g.annandale/zulu-morals-or-zuma-morals . .less by Geanann on February 04 2010, 08:00 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Envy? Are you crazy? I tell my young daughter the President of the Republic of South Africa is an immoral crook. This is not Zuma bashing, it's the objective truth. To tell her the opposite would be a lie. Or is it moral for an unmarried woman to have sex with and . .more carry the child of a married polygamist? And is it moral for a married man to screw around and have sex with other women? Should my child look up to such a man and is it OK for her to consort with such a man? And those 738 criminal charges, dropped by a compliant cadre on the pretext of a judicially discredited precedent in a foreign jurisdiction. How moral and charming is that? Zuma bashing? Bolllocks man! . .less by flebus on February 04 2010, 08:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

zuma Nice satire Jeremy! The point is that if you are so reckless and irresponsible in your private life, you do not earn trust for the position you hold in public life. Public life is likely to be just as much of a mess. Why does he hunt the daughters of . .more friends? Is that what friends are for? To have a good and active sex life at 67 is no exceptional achievement, not even for a Zulu or a Brit or who-ever, but if you have 3 wonderful loving wives, why go for friend's kids, and go about to prove your manhood to the nation? Really, with 19 children already, you have proved your point and do not have to go on, unless you forgot! Is this an example to follow, or is it the king displaying his power and virility? As you said, we (and the president) should be concerned about the economy, jobs, environment, human relations etc, and having 20 kids does nothing good for the cause. That is not a man. . .less by willie on February 04 2010, 08:23 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

WTF! No mention of, like he was at one stage head of the Moral Re-generation Campaign...! As President, he should espouse certain basic moral virtues... people, the masses, look up to him... and what do they see... "our" father... I want to become just like . .more daddy! Of course, at age 67 you can still do it... especially if you are in a power position (like being the president) like now I can climb on the social band-wagon and claim (in whichever way being acceptable) that I am, as son of the president, forever entitled to special treatment... . .less by Peter Pan on February 04 2010, 08:24 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

another waste of time I made the mistake again of reading a Jeremy Gordin article. Attempting to be light-hearted and witty about having multiple sex partners and unprotected sex in a society with the highest rate of AIDS infection in the word is just childish. You are a . .more bizarre writer. . .less by ant on February 04 2010, 08:25 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

zuma and the baby It is true that monogamy is not natural. Why does the society pretend that polygamy is immoral and unacceptable. A greater percentage of women are fine with it. Who is this that thinks it is immoral, what makes it so? am not sure by GGGGGGG on February 04 2010, 08:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

It takes two to tango To quote Riley Freeman from 'The Boondocks': 'at what point does 'personal responsibility' become a factor in this equation?' All the comments I have read so far have been ad hominom (look it up here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominum) . .more toward Mr Gordin. Apart from 'M' presenting one good rebuttle point, these comments weren't worth the data they demand. 'The point Jeremy, as so vividly illustrated by our "father" himself, is that he is a liar and a cheat, unworthy of the trust of a nation (or in fact anyone). ' - M As Mr Gordon pointed out, Zuma came clean. That makes him HONEST, not a LIAR. Now I know we may not like that honesty, but the truth DOES hurt. I respect a man who comes clean in the end. The only valid piece in that statement was that 'he is undeserving of our trust'. Now THAT is a valid comment. In my opinion, Presidend Jacob Zuma has been villified by the media since the starting days of the illegal arms deal. There was that case, the rape case even accusations of 'cronieism' (if there is such a term). All this has raised a South African culture of hating Jacob Zuma and making him the villain in EVERY case regardless of the merits of the case. Sad. I thought we were a nation that thinks for itself. . .less by Thato on February 04 2010, 08:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Gordon the humanist Thanks Gordin, im tired of all these politicaly bankrupt politicians and analyst. If Zuma must be judged, we must look at the things in which the office of the president must do, improve the economy, education, crime etc. All the nay sayers have run dry . .more of criticism around these issues they are willing to say anything just to make headlines. I havent head Zuma lie to anyone, not the wives not the newest conquest Ms Khoza(the bank executive). . .less by P on February 04 2010, 09:11 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zuma Our horny and wasteful Prez IS doing the same to the nation that he is doing to dozens of its women. It is the economy stupid,and with his bunch of looters in charge,it is doomed Jeremy-can you not see that? by scud on February 04 2010, 09:20 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fantastic Piece! Thought I was the only one thinking what you just articulated. Give the man a break. It's good to know we have a president with balls. Quite frankly, I wish every non alpha male would just hang up the envy with the tackle 'cos if you the . .more president and you can't get some action then you might as well just start wars or take out your masculinity on the masses by showing them in other ways what big balls you have. Clinton, Berlusconi, Kennedy, Major, etc... these boys have what it takes to get to the top because of their innate drive. Zuma is no different. at least he has the conviction to do it in your face. maybe that's what pisses the beta male, and secretly wet female! . .less by Trader666 on February 04 2010, 09:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The Zuma Baby I am stuned by the erudite rot I read in this Gordin article. He may have ben trying to expose prejudice and injustice but he only succeding in defending our illustrious President. A man who admited in an interview that what he said in court (visavis . .more the rape case) was just in order to get off the charge, who showered after sex with an HIV ve woman when he was head of the National AIDS Council. And having it off with your friends' daughters! As defensible as kiling and skining women in our author's eyes. Naturaly we are al envious of Zuma's power and magnetism. Even Zuma knows that. . .less by Gazi on February 04 2010, 09:39 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Add End Ummmm... ...and on the topic of moral engineering, just a few points: 1. The youth (this might surprise you) don't take moral cues ONLY from Zuma. 2. Let's chastise the Pope for his previous stance on Condoms. 3. Zuma does not really want to S*** your . .more young white daughter...his women seem to fit a different racial and segmental profile. 4. Youngsters will look at the venus de milo and read "it's all right to S***" messages in it just to justify what nature does when it gifts you the gift of fertility. 5. slightly bigger problems out there folks...ummmm sorry to remind you. . .less by Trader666 on February 04 2010, 09:41 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

A Pen Diks to Add end um One last point to note: If you're dumb enough to entrust the Generation/Regeneration of your kids morals on a political figure(head)/ Television propogated celebrity/ or sports "star", then maybe it is in our species best interest that your genetic . .more makeup is destined for the Darwinian genepool dustbin. . .less by Trader666 on February 04 2010, 09:48 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Show me a person who did not have sex with someone else Fellow South Africans, the reasons we see in the newspapers sex adverts is just because there are people who use the service. You can be supprised if the majority of people that are bashing our President have had three somes, visited teazers, bought . .more pornographic magazinez and movies, raped people, fathered children out of wedlock. The President always tells the nation about his wives, because the culture dictates, muslims, people of Utah are allowed to have as many wives as they can but Redis, Malalas of this world are quite. . .less by Mabutho on February 04 2010, 09:50 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Baby making machine I am very very dissappointed at my hero JZ I am totally out of words to discribe my disgust by Thiza on February 04 2010, 09:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Trader666 re: Add End Ummmm... 1) "The youth (this might surprise you) don't take moral cues ONLY from Zuma." Quite correct, but if they are looking for implicit permission (and many young men will be) to sleep around regardless, they now need look no further than their No.1 . .more citizen and leader. 2) "Let's chastise the Pope for his previous stance on Condoms" Already been done, and I note by your use of the word "previous", it had the required effect. Not so with Zuma - he just carries on... 3) "Zuma does not really want to S*** your young white daughter...his women seem to fit a different racial and segmental profile." In other words, you think sexually irresponsible behaviour is OK with black women but not white women? Yes, that IS what you said - red it again... 4) Venus de Milo as justification for behaviour (paraphrased) Your reference is highly obscure with a vanishingly small probability, but essentially you are correct in that youngsters are able to derive justification from obscure places and events. However, this is all the more reason for those in a position of influence to ensure that their actions don't present such blatant justification for sexual irresponsibility. Your argument cannot be seriously entertained. 5) "slightly bigger problems out there folks..." Which we can't solve without trust in our leaders. . .less by M on February 04 2010, 10:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Thato - re: Zuma comes clean Mate, Zuma did not "come clean". He was exposed. There is a difference... had Zuma held a press conference prior to the ST article and laid bare, he would indeed have come clean; that would have been honest. But he didn't - he waited several days after . .more the exposé before making a confirming statement. His fall-back position of "cultural practices" are by all accounts null and void in this case - we are told by numerous Zulu men and women that polygamous freedom doesn't stretch outside the marriages... so he is a liar and a cheat to his wives. In addition, he is irresponsible - both in having multiple sexual partners and exposing all to STDs (which is diametrically opposite to what he preached as head of the Moral Regeneration Movement), and in that by having 20 children, none of them are likely to have much benefit of the presence of their father (though considering who their father is, that may even prove to be an advantage). . .less by M on February 04 2010, 10:27 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zuma-bashing? We have not started bashing potato-head, or is it "shower-head"? He's an insult to intelligence. by Ntaba Mhlope on February 04 2010, 10:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

you're in trouble JG (Jeremy Gordin!) the woman in question is 39 (hardly a spring chicken, even if she was a friend's daughter) so she can make up her mind who does she want to give it up to. Why, oh why do people expect politicians, sport stars and other famous people to be role . .more models? Why aren't you a role model to your own children? Didn't hear what Redi Direko had to say (I always switch stations whenever she starts saying, "hallo aaaverybuddy....) Most of the people who have writen here, do indulge in this behaviour from time to time. There are of course those of you who are are self-sufficient (if you catch my drift) wo are just driven by envy to post a comment here. Geanann, does anybody ever go to the sites you always lure readers to? . .less by darkie on February 04 2010, 10:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zuma/ Gordin Jeremy, I hope you made a few thousand bucks out of your Zuma biography. Has it been reprinted? by DaveT on February 04 2010, 10:45 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Remember the elections Couldn't keep old Zuma out of church - wonder what the church folk think of him now. Hypocrite is the word that comes to mind. Deceitful is another good one. Oh, and good old Ray who saw fit to turn church services into PR for Zuma - . .more well he is getting divorced. Don't preach to us guys if you don't walk the talk. . .less by Sad Days on February 04 2010, 10:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Breed or Govern Fine, have 4 wives and 20 children, but go back to your cultural mores and herd goats! We live in a complex industrialised country with monumental challenges- How can jackrabbit Jacob possibly govern SA when he cant keep count of his errant semen... to . .more accept this on the basis of accepting other cultures is ludicrous to the extreme. . .less by mkt voix d raison on February 04 2010, 11:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ sad days You have a choice to listen or not to listen to the preachers. Church is a good place for sinners (at least that's what I think) otherwise why would you preach to the converted? Doubt if the greasy one is as jubilated at getting divorced as you seem to . .more be. Sad Days...never a pseudonym has been so apt for a cyberspace junkie . .less by darkie on February 04 2010, 11:33 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Leave the man alone This is just one of instances where people attack the player instead of the game. Let's just say Mr Zuma was white. Am I right to say he would probably be gay, perhaps bisexual,,,,maybe not how about 10 times divorcee. Now before you start . .more attacking anyone, just look at yourself, your parents, your friends and your siblings, and see whether do you really deserve to judge anyone. I am not defending the president, but I hate people who are quick to judge others yet they are possible more rotten. . .less by BK on February 04 2010, 11:38 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Western sexual dogma exposed I agree mostly with the overriding sentiment expressed although I thought Chiluga was a town in Zambia. It is a wholly western phenomenon to characterize Sexual intercourse as a deviant, dirty and unholy affair. I however find the use of certain . .more adjectives and language unnecessary, and more indicative of the author's own confusion about the human sexual state. Why can't we talk about sex without trying to reduce the subject to something dirty with language better suited to describing a mud skipper. It shows some fundamental disconnect in the western mind perhaps enforced by generations of dogma and misinformation. Sex is not dirty only potential participants are. I thought the use of the script from a movie about serial killers also to disingenuous, as again it promotes the idea the humans are all vile, crass psychopaths at their core. . .less by 21 Centuary - please on February 04 2010, 11:52 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Trader666 You are one pompous idiot. Go suck on Zuma's dingaling. by S.O.B on February 04 2010, 12:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Jeremy Gordin Just look at you- pandering away to politicians to try and feather your own nest. You're a fat ugly hirsute reporting failure and now you're selling your morals with no foresight into the consequences. Scandalilse you did. Sell your sould you did too. by mkt voix d raison on February 04 2010, 12:20 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

What a president!!! Am very sorry to say this but am very very disappointed in Zuma and his sexuall immoralities in these times of HIV.....as a respected and public figure of the entire world....l find this very much embarassing,,,how can a President of the State go about . .more sleeping around. Furthermore he has got 4 wives,,,,,what is it exactly that his wives dont have that Irvin's daughter has" This President is up to no good if people are not carefull he will end up sleepng with every women in our country and all the children would be his and most of all he is the one who is spreading this HIV virus the most or is it becoz he is President then he is allowed to infect as many people as he pleases. Mr President am really disappointed coz you are dragging South Africa into the deepest pit because of your sexual ego,,,,,,what on earth is happenning,,,,,,surely the world is coming to an end,,,,,,if you open your mouth and tell people that she is your daughter, dotn you feel embarassed,,,,you disgusting Mr President ,,,how l wish l was not South African!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . .less by Ziyanda on February 04 2010, 12:34 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Gordin Jeremy, what a loverly (sic) article indeed. Our Comrade President once again has done what he does best: love women. Even if that is all that he does, he'll be known as the president with balls, the spear of our nation (puns intended). These . .more doom/naysayers need to relax a bit. They talk about women's rights when they could not be bothered with what Ms Khoza's viewpoint on the matter is. The hypocritcal miscreants that they are ... Well done, once again, Mr Gordin. You really are head and shoulders above that other wanna-be satirist, Slapiel-o aka Zapiro ... :-) . .less by Moxster on February 04 2010, 12:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

You want to pomp and have illegitimate kids and you are President then you must face the music No one can justify this type of behaviour. Would you like Zuma to have unprotected sex with your daughter Jeremy? He must resign or face being a laughing stock. That is my opinion finished and klaar. by Rubbish on February 04 2010, 13:00 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zuma 20th child It is a private matter? Then surely its every mens private matter to have multiple partners and have children, dont use a condom have consensual sex with a family friend or your niece marry couple of women while in process of your marriage then have . .more a child outside your marital affair its culture. There is no problem, if the president can do it why any men cant do the same. ITS HIS PRIVATE LIFE . .less by Leli on February 04 2010, 13:04 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Shame on you too! Envy? Get real! by Alto on February 04 2010, 13:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Jeremy, you twat Humping Dumpty can screw whom he likes and have as good a time as he likes (though we'd rather he stopped doing it to the country), but (1) he should practice safe sex, (2) he lied about this at first. (3) how many other Zumalings are still in the closet . .more and being covered up? Zuma is patently unable to maintain all his wives and offspring - that's why he sold out to Shaik. This, of course, lead to the undermining of our justice system when the NPA had to verneuk the dropping of charges, Hlophe, out of misguided loyalty or seeing an opportunistic gap, compromised himself, the parole system was undermined and the pardon question (including the insulting and provocative "prisoner swop") was floated. Quite a lot of consequences for a casual hump or two, don't you think? For the next two decades or so, as he tries to educate this girl, he will be vulnerable to crooks. Thus his unrestrained sexual temptation will undoubtably lead to more financial and political temptations. . .less by Loudly South African on February 04 2010, 13:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

good comment Yes, too much time doing the wrong job? by Clinton on February 04 2010, 13:27 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Informed? I am interested in why you bring Nathan Geffen and Zackie Achmat into it. TAC has never taken a moralistic position on abstanince, like so many other HIV organisations have. I also don't believe i've seen TAC climbing on the criticising Zuma band wagon. . .more Zuma has in recent months called on people to have safe sex and not to have multiple-concurrent partnerships. Thus, even if you envey his active sex life, you must agree that for a politician to say one thing and to do another does not play well. . .less by Max on February 04 2010, 14:46 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Pointless Who cares really? He is a weak and indecisive president Thats why the anc is on the verge of self destruction and twits like Malema are out of control There is plenty to attack But focusing on his love life is petty and pointless by D on February 04 2010, 15:14 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Enough of the Zuma bashing! If the 20th child is a "love child" what is the other 20 - pension money?! The difference between man an animals is suppose to be a working brain - ZUMA behaves like a bunny - see no brain! by me on February 04 2010, 15:18 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

I envy you JG Man you good old man. Talk about an Avatar of note... LOL! Great piece! by ZweliB!` on February 04 2010, 15:44 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@M re: Zuma comes clean Would you have preferred he deny it all the way to tax payers paying for tests and court cases about alimony or whatever non-sense people come up with now-a-days? Jacob Zuma has done nothing any other politician has done. We all know about Bill . .more Clinton (even if it was oral only - allegedly), the Kennedy's, everyone else. If you want to be angry with President Jacob Zuma then do it because unlike Clinton and them, Jacob Zuma didn't miss. Let's face it, President Jacob Zuma is just the man we all love to hate - next to good ol' Julius. THAT'S why this is a big deal. . .less by Thato on February 04 2010, 16:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Thato "Would you have preferred he deny it all the way to tax payers paying for tests and court cases about alimony or whatever non-sense people come up with now-a-days?" Um, no - that's not the point. You said that he "came clean", and I say that . .more "coming clean" implies that he volunteered the information. He didn't - he was exposed in the press. He had no realistic alternative but to confirm the story... that's not honesty, that's being cornered. Ok, let's see - Clinton's little problem led to his eventual impeachment because he lied to a grand jury about the affair, while JZ's supporters laud his manliness and spout privacy slogans. The Kennedys' affairs were not really public knowledge as far as I'm aware - there may have been rumour and innuendo, but no public acknowledgement. No comparison then... "Let's face it, President Jacob Zuma is just the man we all love to hate - next to good ol' Julius. THAT'S why this is a big deal." No, this is a big deal because Zuma has proven himself worthy of the hate and unworthy of his office. I personally don't love to hate the president; I would very much like a president worthy of admiration and respect. JZ however is not it. . .less by M on February 04 2010, 17:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Leader of the Moral Regeneration Campaign What happened to the ANC's campaign to make Jacob 'Serial Monogamist' Zuma the leader (spearheader) of the much touted Moral Regeneration Campaign? Forget the new or any Generation, insist on Degeneration. . .more I am not interested in seeing a 67-year old having clumsy sex, and getting a 'bank executive' pregnant. Ordinarily this would be no news, but being the president, he is not presiding over sexual matters, he must run a country, not a harem! If he wants to be a porn star, let him relinquish the presidency. Am sure you can find him a sponsor in order for him to show the elderly how to 'kick butt' and reassure them that with V***** your life starts at 70! Else give him the post of the Minister of Population Development and Cooperation. As Piet Koornhof would have said, 'he is developing the nation (population) 'en hy maak die nasie sterk terwyl vrou mense van ons nasie saam werk!' (he is making the nation strong with the cooperation of women folk of our nation.' What is that famous ANC slogan...'Aluta continua' forget that, the new one should be 'mating continues!' . .less by Potso on February 04 2010, 17:18 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Ja Jeremy I can see you had most fooled. I do not for a moment believe that this trash you wrote support the President. What a clever way to redicule someone on whose good books you would love to remain - You Clever B***** by Oatile on February 04 2010, 17:39 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

the media is a mindless organism like its followers GW Bush screws up the US economy kills 10's of thousands of American soldiers in Afghanistan, Iraq etc puts millions more out of jobs and he serves to complete terms, Clinton gets one blwjb and they impeach him.... Exactly the same thing. I love new . .more media, now I don't have to pay any attention to the mainstream rubbish. . .less by J on February 04 2010, 18:23 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

SOME TRUE A** LICKING MR. GORDIN Two questions: If Zuma was so proud of this Laat Lametjie why didn't he call in the entire SABC 3 news team to get the happy news out to the wekkers? Second question: Do you think the Serial Father of the Nation could actually name by birth order all . .more TWENTY of the fruit of his very generous loins? Lets hear from the author or Zoom Zoom hisself. . .less by ER on February 04 2010, 21:08 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Spot on as ever JG ...and nice that someone is screwing a banker for a change rather than the other way round. by The Bullfinch on February 04 2010, 21:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Anti Zuma campaign stoops to a record low. Amazing how fowl mouthed the moralists are. Kind of like if you swear and be crass others will buy into your point of view. So from reading most of the fidelity advocates comment's we can conclude that fowl language is legitimate and Ok. Its obvious that . .more many of these commentators don't have a single brain cell. They couldn't form a coherent argument if their life depended on it. . .less by Give it up Anti Zumarites - You are all devoid proper reason on February 04 2010, 23:07 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

"Enough of the Zuma bashing!" Said Jeremy with tongue in cheek. by Herr Goebbels on February 05 2010, 00:25 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@mkt voix d raison Guys, did you see what the person with the Yoda-like grammatical structure said? "Just look at you- pandering away to politicians to try and feather your own nest. You're a fat ugly hirsute reporting failure and now you're selling your morals with . .more no foresight into the consequences. Scandalilse you did. Sell your sould you did too. " Hey now, it's one thing to accuse me of selling my soul, feathering my nest (some mixed metaphors there), and of being a reporting failure and ugly to boot. But to call me hirsute as well! You really know how to hurt a guy, don't you? Do I know you btw? Did I fail to use a condom? I'm sorry. I apologise not only retrospectively but unreservedly too. . .less by Jeremy Gordin on February 05 2010, 12:19 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

HAIR-UM SCAR-UM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IRAN-01.JPG Man, the guy who took the pic must have had a interesting first night with this lady. The mind boggles as i imagine the exploration south. by HAIRY MONSTER on February 08 2010, 15:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

to hairy scary jeremy you forgot the fat descriptive. And re our tryst, in your wildest dreams baby; but with that stomach, when did you last see it? by mkt voix d raison on February 10 2010, 17:13 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

addition to speech: sex and the nation "As for the presidential decree of S*** a foreigner, I have already begun the movement in earnest. I thought Isono Khoza was a foreigner, honest! She does work for Barclays Plc and the bottle of Johnnie Blue I drank (compliments of my ex-friend, her . .more father) must have altered my vision somewhat. Nonetheless I will pursue the decree on my next international with new vigour" (Pause for sighs of appreciation from said press gallery...) . .less by mkt voix draison on February 11 2010, 09:04 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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