The wheels are falling off for Zuma

JOHANNESBURG - According to the learned Karima "Pajamas" Brown of Business Day, Sdumo Dlamini, the president of Cosatu, said on Monday that Jacob G Zuma - he's the president (at least for the nonce) - should "fire his political advisers for being a ‘disaster' and axe his communications team for failing to guide him through a series of PR nightmares that have plunged his presidency into crisis a mere 10 months since taking office" [my emphasis, as the scholars say].

That's an odd way of putting it, because what Brown is calling a "crisis" has been on the cards ever since the motley crew that swept Zuma to power started jeering at the old farts on the podium in Polokwane in December 2007.

Some people, such as I, hoped it (the "crisis") wouldn't happen at all. But it was only a matter of time before the squabbling started between various factions (the "businessmen" vs. the Lefties, the piglets such as Little Julie Malema vs. the straights such as Gwede Mantashe, the Zulus vs. the rest, and so on), with JZ doing nothing about it.

It was only a matter of time before Zuma was nabbed making babies (though the making of the love child pre-dated his inauguration) when he ought to have been busy instead giving the various factions detention or even a patsch on their collective tuchis.

It was only a matter of time before a big mouth such as Malema, or a facsimile thereof, started screwing around with foreign investment with this shrill and barely comprehensible squeaks about nationalisation.

The only question was this: how long would it take before the wheels fell off (and, as I said, there was also the hope among folks such as I that the wheels wouldn't fall off, but ....). Things went along pretty well until the love child - which is when everyone realised that they were irritated with JZ because few of them were getting what they thought was their due.

Now there is a question being asked, among the chattering classes (even if not in the ANC national executive committee): will Zuma last his term?

Yes, of course he will. He is needed by the various factions - and, what's more, I think (and it's not an original thought) that he's going to shep much naches (an Irish phrase meaning "to get much pleasure and gratification from") from the soccer world cup. In fact it's going to save his bacon (if the naches sheppers will pardon the phrase). The problems are going to come later; the ANC's NGC (national general council) is, I believe, in September and it's going to be hairy for JZ.

But to return to Dlamini, with whom I began. He's obviously been reading Politicsweb, for clearly he has been reflecting on my article of 3 March about Jesse "James" Duarte and Lakela "Kenneth" Kaunda and on my point that that it is a pusillanimous, feckless and none too creative a bunch that are handling "comms" (as they used to call it in the old SADF) at the Union Buildings. ("Man, I've got zero-zero-fuck-all comms here," as a signalman of my acquaintance was wont to say.)

And, actually, as a learned friend of mine was saying today, some of the "stuff" - e.g. the love child - has been handled so badly that it's almost as though someone at the Buildings is consciously sticking, as John Lennon would have said, a Spaniard in the works. Or a knife into JGZ.

Anyway, this being the case - I thought to myself today - isn't it a good thing that we now have two other national spokesmen to speak out for all of us on national affairs?

The first one is Winnie Madikizela-Mandela. She inter alia allegedly told Nadira Naipaul, who visited Winnie with her husband, the writer VS Naipaul, in Soweto, in August last year, that her former husband, Nelson R Mandela, had agreed to a bad deal for blacks and should never have agreed to a truth commission, and that Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu was a cretin.

Of course one doesn't know whether the interview was on the record; whether Nadira, VS or a re-write person at the London Evening Standard wrote it (both VS and his wife are in any case shit-causers from way back); why it was published now; and so on. And neither the Naipauls nor Madikizela-Mandela is available for comment. I must say it reads pretty credibly - actually a very good read and very interesting too; you should have a look at it. But I find it difficult to believe that Winnie would have framed it as an attack on her former husband; especially not as they have had a recent toenadering.

No, I think that was just the way the writer, whoever it was, set the piece up. And it's about time that certain things were said - such as Mandela being a "corporate foundation" who was and sometimes still is "wheeled out to collect the money". If anyone had bothered to listen to his former attorney, Ismail Ayob, which of course they didn't, they would know that there is more than a grain of truth in that claim.

But the rest is pure Janus-faced Winnie nonsense. It sounds good - and she no doubt believes it - but why she thinks Mandela et al struck a bad deal, one does not know. They got the whole farm. What else could one want?

And there were many - in which number I include myself - who would have preferred to have seen Nuremberg-type trials (for both sides, mind) rather than the TRC. But it wasn't possible. Mandela would have woken to find the Union Buildings ringed with tanks. It had to be softly-softly. I think, pace Anthea Jeffery, the downsides of the TRC process were far outweighed by the upsides.

But what I find interesting about Winnie's alleged bitter and passionate outburst is that another learned friend of mine - who seems to get these things correct - has suggested that there is a method to Winnie's apparent madness.

He suggests that she was asked to do a little softening up of the body politic - in preparation for a huge reparations payment that is going to be announced shortly, in terms of which the MK veterans, who have come back into prominence under Zuma (and who mainly sat on their butts in exile and did not do much actual fighting), are going to be collecting handsomely.

Oh well, time will tell.

Our second national spokesman is of course Little Julie - who to my surprise came out firing this week. I saw him on TV singing "Kill the boer" - for which Dr Pieter Mulder has laid a charge against him. Malema will doubtless claim that someone forged his voice and used his head as a ventriloquist's dummy. He also made some comments about Patricia de Lille's marital status that even I found in appallingly bad taste.

Clearly, this fat-faced creature is not entirely stupid. Anyone who thinks he is should read Anthony Butler's Business Day column of 8 March. The learned Butler argues pretty convincingly "that [t]he incredible truth, then, is that Malema has persuaded many young communists, SACP cadres and Cosatu activists to campaign for a wholly bogus nationalisation programme. What they will get is a state-owned mining house that will bail out fat cats by looting unionists' own pensions. And the left says it is Malema who is stupid?"

What I don't understand is why Zuma has not muzzled Malema. "What can Zuma do?" Butler asked me over not-the-best Caesar salad in Johannesburg. Well, for one thing, Zuma could take him to a disciplinary hearing - or, even better, get Gwede Mantashe to do so. Because notwithstanding the soccer world cup, Little Julie is causing a great deal of trouble that right now Zuma could do without.

Here's my hate speech for the week: I'd hang the little bozo upside down from a tree and let people come and pin their failed tender documents to his butt.

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Our second national spokesman is of course Little Julie - who to my surprise came out firing this week. I saw him on TV singing 'Kill the boer' - for which Dr Pieter Mulder has laid a charge against him. Malema will doubtless claim that someone forged his voice and used his head as a ventriloquist's dummy. He also made some comments about Patricia de Lille's marital status that even I found in appallingly bad taste. Clearly, this fat-faced creature is not entirely stupid."

Jeremy Gordin

 

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The Rise of Julius I was wondering whether white capitalism, white greed, white exploitation, white materialism, white privilege, white racism and white denial should not accept some of the blame for the rise of Julius? Who, I wonder, put that grotesque statute of Saint . .more Madiba in the holiest of South African shrines: Mandela Square? Who, I wonder, paid the black political elites to compromise South Africans? . .less by Carl Wille on March 11 2010, 02:57 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The Wheels are being pulled off Zuma C'mon, Jeremy. It's an operation to put Sexwale or someone like him in power ("very much like him" means hardwired to City of London interests and their affiliates in New York/Washington). Malema is part of it whether he knows it or not, with his . .more "nationalisation." Of course it is phoney, and the moneybags will be laughing all the way to the bank. But it will play well with the masses. (Like Obama: promise all the right things, do the opposite when elected.) Ask yourself why Sexwale is suddenly being tagged in the press as a "nationalist." (The only other person I know of, who is being so tagged is Malema.) Is it to hide the fact that Sexwale does NOT have national interests at heart, at all? Ask why the press, in 4-part harmony, made such a stink about JZ's 20th. What's the news? That JZ committed adultery? That was already a matter of record. The press chorus (easily influenced by the London-connected crowd) used this "news" to focus the massive discontent (it's a depression, you know - forget the cheery talk about recovery) onto Zuma. From the City of London's standpoint, Zuma is too loyal to the ANC. It wants a dictator it can control, in ANC garb. In a depression, London wants its interests secured in this way. Winnie's bitter interview was run now to help set the townships on fire. "Emergency! SA needs a strong hand..." . .less by David Cherry on March 11 2010, 03:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

ITS COMING GUYS JULIUS SINGING KILL THE BOER by Delarey,Delarey on March 11 2010, 06:07 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

They are going to kill all the whites Kill the Boer means kill the whites apparently. Get your gun and let the war begin. by Murder on the way on March 11 2010, 07:11 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

YL Close down the Youth league. by js on March 11 2010, 07:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

There you have it The fact that commentators are even asking "What can Zuma do?" in response to the toddler Julius' tantrums illustrates why Zuma was such an appalling choice for President. Can you imagine any commentator scratching their head and asking "what can Zille do . .more ?" when she is faced with problems in her party. That woman would kick A** and have the problem sorted by sundown. The difference is that one is a world class leader and the other is a song and dance man who ran for President to stay out of prison and whose tactics were to use charm to promise everything to everyone. And the ANC incompetents were too busy with 'snout in trough' activities to notice that the whole thing was a terrible idea. . .less by Sad Days on March 11 2010, 07:20 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@the editor MONEYWEB Sir, Please bring back Clive Simpklins. Yes, we know he is an insufferable bore Yes, we know he is the nemesis of communication Yes we know he is Peter Pan resurrected Yes we know that he compares apoplexy to knowledge of the . .more subject. All these are givens and make it very difficult for his articles to have any credence.. And yet, at his worst he is still streets better than this Gordin fellow who seems to have developed a fondness for using brackets. . .less by Plutarch on March 11 2010, 07:36 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

It is coming because of a carefully nutured illusion The illusion is the the white community is larger and more dominant than 3% or less of the population can possibly be. Half the white community are older than Winnie. The mid age group is largely overseas. The remaining few have one baby if they . .more are lucky. . .less by Free the Rest on March 11 2010, 07:52 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zuma isn't a vehicle. He's a jalopy and the wheels were coming off even before he was put on the road to destruction. And all of South Africa knows that he doesn't even have a license to drive the country. He is known as what we would call in the auto industry as a lemon and is a menace to . .more all. . .less by Henry Ford on March 11 2010, 08:04 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@David Your memory of history is short, no one thought that Zuma would have made it to the presidency, but with media hype causing a populist following, look what we got. Does Sexwale have a populist following? No way. Yes, but Malema does. by Koos on March 11 2010, 08:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Malema - good news and bad The good news is that any intelligent person can see that Malema is the new face of the ANC - dangerous unintelligent rabble rousers - any intelligent person who still votes for such a party is basically a fool. So this is great for the DA who have a . .more world class leader running their party - they can only benefit from the ANC's descent into madness. The danger is the uneducated voter. The fools who are somehow impressed by Malema. It is scary that this is the sort of voter that is out there, that think a SA led by a fool like Malema would be a great place to live, but that is the reality. How does one educate the gullible voting fodder to see the foolishness of their choices - this is the big question. Get them to see the light and the ANC are then in serious trouble. (I tried to post this on Bullard's column but Moneyweb's new system doesn't let me post ... sigh ) . .less by Sad Days on March 11 2010, 08:26 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

And whilst the mob is rallying behind a murderously inclined cretin, you have an idiot like silly Carl Wille suggesting : blame it on apartheid and the whites! ! by mpho on March 11 2010, 08:29 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The Slogan "Murder on the way" has hit the nail on the head. Now we know why government is insisting that we surrender our firearms. We will have to find other means to protect ourselves and our families. I'm going to invest in a "strongbow" with an . .more arrow that has razor bladed on the shaft. . .less by Buster on March 11 2010, 08:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Chinese proverb There is a chinese proverb that says beware of the smile that hides the dagger.Zuma does a lot of smiling. by Mike on March 11 2010, 08:47 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Gajapura This is not good news for Msholozi, when people who were performing gajapura dances with him in the Kgotla elder tents, performing native cleansing ceremonies, and praising him for running around with a leopard skin and a belly outside, are deserting him. . .more This is not really good news for Msholozi, he might just reach for that 'umshini' of his for real. And with JM in trouble and JZ coat tail hangers disappearing like cockroaches at the first sight of light on a filthy dinner table, JM may just unleash 'the tiger out of the cage' for JZ. But we are far from that, some of these followers are suffering from real brain cramps, and will stay with JZ and JM to the end. You could not cleanse stupidity, and poverty has a tendency to feed that kind of intense unreasoning stew-pit-idity. They will do anything for anyone who promises them a piece of chicken on every table, regardless of how many times that lie is exposed. That's Msholozi's saving grace. . .less by potso on March 11 2010, 09:11 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Nationalization I have had a dream as to where the nationalization of the mines could lead. The operational side of the mines would collapse. The ANC would flounder and bluster for a bit and a deal would be struck with the Chinese who would agree to open the mines a gain . .more and give the ANC sixty per cent of the profit. The terms and conditions or the small print if you like, would be that the Chinese use Chinese labour and of course the statuary SA labour laws would not apply to them. They would them buy up a few farms to feed their people and we already have the Chinese shopping centres to satisfy their needs. The ANC have not fully understood the Chinese want land for their burgeoning population as much as minerals. . .less by Robert on March 11 2010, 09:17 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Ptutarch Hey Pluto! Please try not to be so tough. Actually I enjoyed reading it, even if the undertones, or at least as I see it, try to do a bit of softening to the useless Song & Dance Great Lover fellow's warts by Injala Apera on March 11 2010, 09:23 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Cry the Banana Republic A corrupt President and a corrupt Mini Me with no impulse control. Every visit by these two is like the circus coming to town. Fortunately for them, the masses still love soapies and soccer stars regardless. by Alan Patron on March 11 2010, 09:25 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Carl Carl go wonder somewhere else, no one here wants to hear/ read your stupid thoughts. Anyway, darkies can try and kill. Soon they will realise (like always) that singing and execution are two different things. Let the show begin already, bring . .more it on b*tches!!! . .less by Rogi on March 11 2010, 09:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Carl Willie "...whether white capitalism, white greed, white exploitation, white materialism, white privilege, white racism and white denial should not accept some of the blame..." Carl you imply that these traits are exclusively white, and that the . .more exclusive white application of these faults led to Malema's popularity. I would contend that if you substitute the word black for white in your sentence, you may find more truth. Note that I am not arguing that the word white doesn't belong in your sentence, but surely when ordinary black people see their own leaders in the previously exclusively white roles that you describe, it would have a more of an impact. No doubt they feel betrayed by those that promised them everything and give them nothing. I would also contend that statements such as your own serve to excuse those in power from their responsibility to their people by blaming others. . .less by M on March 11 2010, 09:33 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Q. What happens to compromised journos when their Master is recalled? I see you've gone all Ndumiso Ngcobo on us. Only he's funny when he writes. I have to chuckle at the comments today though. As soon as your sychophancy drops the whiteys are not so harsh. But your analysis, as usual, does not grasp the . .more problem. It is not the people surrounding your hero who are the problem. The problem lies squarely with your hero. He is out of his depth and the ANC is out of its mind to retain him. . .less by ??????? on March 11 2010, 09:33 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Carl Willie Sorry, not clear: By blaming whites for our exploitative leaders' behaviour, you help Malema direct the people's ire away from those who have betrayed them. by M on March 11 2010, 09:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ Jeremy's nemesis Your best posting ever. by Voortrekker on March 11 2010, 09:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The wheels are falling off for Zuma.... eeish i akksident.....................Sorry Ser. It's broken. by ER on March 11 2010, 09:56 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

White Denial Seems to be doing well, possibly flourishing, in South Africa? I never said they are exclusively white traits. I suggested it may be "part of the problem". Accept "some of the blame". White denial about how we ended up where we are today is however an . .more exclusively white thing? . .less by Carl Wille on March 11 2010, 09:59 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Nationalization - ANC tactics to keep Cosatu close! The ANCYL is not interested in nationalising the mines. It is simply ANC tactics / pretense to keep Cosatu in the Tripartite Alliance. Cosatu members think they will benefit from nationalization. The ANC cannot organize it's own party structures and has . .more to rely on Cosatu structures, for election purposes. . .less by Jan on March 11 2010, 10:00 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Such a weak leader @ Sad days you are so right. Our president is such a wishy washy type of leader who couldnt control a bunch of kids on a school picnic. If only we had a strong leader like Helen Zille, a 2nd "iron lady" by Tom on March 11 2010, 10:01 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

David Cherry You seem to have hit the nail on the head. by Che on March 11 2010, 10:05 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Gordin's waste of publishing space Surely after years of following and researching JZ you would have picked up on this trend? Instead you chose to wax on about how he is the best thing since the last best thing. You really should hand over the media bandwidth to someone who will use it in . .more the interests of the public. We certainly do not need more Plutarch's around: funny-ish but with not much to say and boring in his insistence on saying it. b . .less by Bodhidharma on March 11 2010, 10:13 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Plutarch: are you and Clive now an item?? seems to be the case... by Freddie Fudpucker on March 11 2010, 10:16 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Kill the Whites? Yes I suppose they were always going to kill the whites Time to check out with your Rands which are well priced now, before the rest of the internationl investments community realises the economy and country is going the Zimbabwe route. by Take your Rands and Run on March 11 2010, 10:19 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Gun Control Ever notice how before every major genocide there was strict gun control implemented? The government fears the whites, seeing as they are still armed, but they are doing everything in their power to enforce stricter gun control. Do not fall for the hippie . .more liberal gun control rhetoric, and hang on to your weapons for dear life! . .less by Truth on March 11 2010, 10:19 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Plutarch Please stick to your bowels, would you, old fellow? by Jeremy G on March 11 2010, 10:25 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Nationalization - ANC tactics to keep Cosatu in Alliance The ANCYL is not interested in nationalization. It is only ANC talk/pretense to keep Cosatu in the fold. The ANC needs Cosatu structures because the ANC cannot organize it's own branches. by Jan on March 11 2010, 10:29 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@David Cherry People don't understand that this world is ruled by few sick individuals, maga-corporations who would do anything necessary to get what they want. These are the people who put Obama in power and they are based in Lindon and New York. Thabo was their man . .more and unfortunately Zuma is not. We are headed for a very very interesting future. The best we can do is to ensure that we continuously fight for checks and balances .. . .less by DruzaDiki on March 11 2010, 10:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

"they got the whole farm" who are you refering to when saying "they got the whole farm, what else could one want"? If you are refering to black South Africans then you have no clue what you are talking about.....black people in this country own 15billion acres of land while whites . .more own 170billion, now who has the whole farm there? When they released Mandela which was something they had to do due to being warry of the rebell that would have came if Mandela had not been released, they thought of civil wars and all those....and decided to release him, but before doing so they first made sure that they were sustained for 5more generations to come. White people are still dominating this country and they are now doing so through black people's greed and corruption.....what i can tell you is that white people are good manipulaters...they came from europe and raped this country and its women and they are still doing so by raping the people's minds...like what you are doing now! . .less by ntosh on March 11 2010, 10:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

MK - payments MK was probably the least effective freedom fighting group, in the world. Possibly because the issue was more one of Civil Rights. by Jan on March 11 2010, 10:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Mandela Foundation - silence on his negligence on Aids The Mandela Foundation bandwagon keeps rolling - without concern for the millions of people condemned by Mandela's denial and gross negligence on Aids, as president. The newspapers were shouting it out, every day, and he was advised in public, and in . .more private, by world class orthodox scientists - he did nothing. No leadership, explanation or direction on Aids. . .less by Jan on March 11 2010, 10:37 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Differenciate the noise from the meaning..... What a drawn out article for such small 'reward'....you could have cut out at least 6 paragraphs, who cares about your average caeser salad. Please get to the point - we have jobs :) by Frikkie on March 11 2010, 10:40 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

carls right the whites had this coming... how stupid can they be not to see this, agree with carl it was only a matter of time, the imbalance in this country is ridiculous by dhirt on March 11 2010, 10:52 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Winnie must assist Instead of focusing her lens on Mandela (London Evening Standard article), Winnie must use her power to fight the organization that is bringing this country down .. the ANC. Instead of embracing Juju, she must chastise him for double standards and crass . .more materialism. She should support protesting communities and assist them in their plight for better service delivery, advocate strongly against tenderpreneurship, crass materialism and conspicuous consumption, encourage kids in the townships go to schools, and advocate meritocracy in deploying cadres. This will restore her former glory and elevate her to an iconic status amongst the poor and discerning South Africans. Can i hear an AMEN? . .less by druzaDiki on March 11 2010, 11:16 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Nationalise , Rationalise and the New Traditional Weapon! The Big J called for nationalisation of his R 140m - not the he has it - in his accounts that is. Saw a recent photograph of Big J (in soccer shirt mode) and Tannie Wine -e - Had a vivid flash of Tannie's scoccer team in earlier years - . .more anybody remember the poor unlucky Stompie Sepei ? Kill the (white) boer or the (white) farmer - well my bru - it seems this is not only kept to the white as "mini's" are the new traditional weapon - and if you are a black diamond - law and order is a program you watch on tv. Basic respect for people ( which the Freedom Charter is based on) does not apply any more - o sorry it does - to all the minorities and non-ANC cathecumin out there - they must keep it - or Big J will send SUCKO or NAFTSO or some acronym to boikot you to oblivion. . .less by Minority report on March 11 2010, 11:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Blind leading the blind Advisers?? can't the President of the country make his own decisions and see through basic bad advice? Does he have to blindly follow everything they dream up and throw at him? by Airwolf on March 11 2010, 11:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

To Frikkie.... so true ley yada yada...more to the point by ntosh on March 11 2010, 12:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Amen druza you said it all by ntosh on March 11 2010, 12:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Reparations I think whites should just give all their money to blacks. They'll never use it wisely on things like education. It will go towards bling, booze and drugs and will soon be gone.They will still be poor whilst we sill have enough education to start again. . .more Apartheid robbed blacks of dignity but all they want back is some BLING. Did money (donated illegally by Kebble and Crane) make Winnie a better person ? Nope. She remains a murderous thug convivted of fraud and theft who prefers to kill little boys and burn defenseless people with tyres. Scum will always be scum no matter how much money they have. The only thing that will enrich blacks is education. Yet they spit on it, burning schools and libraries. To the moron Mtosh ....you own 15 billion acres of useless land that was handed to you in a productive form. Now you want to F*** up the rest ? Get an education first. . .less by Adam Quill on March 11 2010, 12:41 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The wheels are not comming off The wheels are not comming off. It's just more of this media manufactured crisis. The country is operating as normal. I see people going to work each day in the usual fashion. The media would have everyone belive we are on the edge of a precipice. It . .more media hype. The country may have problems but whats new. Just more of the Anti Zuma campaign to coincide with no confidence vote. JZ is here for another 8 years. I will put money on it. . .less by Reality Sets in on March 11 2010, 12:53 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Winnie She is a criminal and has no idea of what she is doing on earth. With whose money has she been able to go overseas? I love it when the ANC imbeciles have a go at each other. Just shows how nasty they are. Backward and barbaric. Let them burn . .more vehicles and schools - that seems to be all they can do. O, sorry... and fornicate. And produce unwanted children. And eat. And rape. Gosh, so busy at destroying everything they receive from others. . .less by John Logan on March 11 2010, 12:54 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Its time Bring me my machine gun.... for I'll kill all those that wish to harm my family and I!! by WAR CHILD on March 11 2010, 13:00 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Gun control It was in the early years of Zim independence that law & order involving "dissidents" became a problem & it was partly addressed by disarming the law-abiding civilian population? In one fairly quick & law-trusting excercise the white population . .more voluntarily disarmed itself. Job done, white problem solved! Now for those pesky Ndebele comrade allies of ZANU. Ah yes, a fictitious coups plot & all their armouries get seized labelled "arms caches". Job done, Ndebele problem solved. Thereafter, everyone in Zim has lived happily everafter in a peaceful law-abiding law-respecting model of post-colonial democracy. Sincerely, though, it isn't perfect in Zim all the time.... as there are one or two small probz occasionally - BUT these glitches are always found to be the fault of racist, capitalist, British & American imperialists lurking in the 20 000 odd elderly white people still alive in Zim. Beware of any blacks who disagree with these facts. They are to be ignored or denounced - for we all know they are either dissidents or puppets of said white racist, capitalist, British, American, etcetera. Off with their heads, I say. Let peace & prosperity return to southern africa. Aluta continua, the struggle continues. Pamberi ! He can't be serious, I hear some of you thinking? You decide ! Chikurubi Graduate : . .less by John Austin, LONDON on March 11 2010, 13:43 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Very insightfull At this rate Jeremy, you will not be asked to write Zuma ii. As for jules and his hate speech and the gold mines; I think the little Malema will run so far if he sees a "boer" with a cattapult we may never find him to was the sh*te . .more out of his pants http://letterdash.com/g.annandale/malema-and-the-assassins The sponsors of Julius in his nationalisation quest is Mandela and Zuma (both jr.) They have toxic assets that will turn to gold upon nationalisation. See http://letterdash.com/g.annandale/malema-mining-for-gold http://letterdash.com/g.annandale/zuma-the-end and the Times today . .less by Geanann on March 11 2010, 13:57 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

BUFFOONS This Govt is a bunch of Ignorant destructive criminals ------How can Africans(non Boers) be quite this thick!!!! At the rate Julius is going , the world cup stadia will be filled with squatters as the civilised countries will just abandon . .more it ! I for one will not attend one game -------at least Bafana will be out soon ---some form of relief. Its time to withold taxes ---the Govt is just plundering whatever they get . . .less by George on March 11 2010, 14:06 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The naming Little Julie is soooo yesterday. From now on is is JuMa (accidently rhimes with "Daddy's " surname) by Piet on March 11 2010, 14:06 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

John Austin With respect John: as long as white people, including Brits, continue to deny that they are implicated in past exploitation, racism and gross human rights violations in Southern Africa the stronger the call for retribution will be. Failing to deal with . .more our past allows current leaders to continue the oppression and abuse. Justice must prevail. Including social and economic justice. If justice does not prevail revenge unfortunately will. . .less by Carl Wille on March 11 2010, 14:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

method to Winnie's apparent madness? JG writes: "He suggests Winnie was asked to do a little softening up of the body politic - in preparation for a huge reparations payment... to be announced shortly, in terms of which the MK veterans, who have come back into prominence under Zuma... are . .more going to be collecting handsomely". "Oh well, time will tell" says JG. A few thoughts: Gun control (civilians only of course), then "killing boers", then war veterans reparations --- now where have I seen this battle plan played out before. Interestingly, the dipossessed Zim farmers were all agro-businesses (not subsistence farmers); very few were technically "boere" - just commercial farmers (some successful black commercial farmers too). Genocidal racism is not a monopoly of whites. The evidence is in the world around us in history & today as I write. Think about it... A former resident, Chikurubi Prison Farm & Maximum Security Complex. . .less by John Austin, LONDON on March 11 2010, 14:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

War ? Genocide ? Lest it never be forgotten that when backed into a corner the white population will never just capitulate. We have long history of persistace. In the back of every white mans mind , we know the war could be just around the corner. We don't want war , . .more because we know that there will be heavy losses on both sides , and when this could be replaced with prosperity for all instead of war if we as South African just apply a bit of brainpower , that exists in the country .....we will do everything to avert war and choose prosperity. However , if the gloves come off ......beware the white South African male , this would not be our first war and we have never lost to date. We don't intend on starting now. We will strategize to offset the numerical advantage amongst blacks as we have done in the past. Also remember not every black thinks the whites are the enemy , some are on our side. So all those black youth clamouring for conflict , beware for you are picking a fight with a very formidable enemy ...... who knows you are coming and has been expecting you for some time. . .less by SADF on March 11 2010, 14:21 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

zuma wheels coming off well sorry for the blacks they wanted zuma and now he is going to screw them for free and steel and lie black power by jw on March 11 2010, 15:23 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

zuma wheels coming off black power steel and screw zuma by jj on March 11 2010, 15:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Old silly Willy strikes again! Consider this precious gem from his fevered brain : "Failing to deal with our past allows current leaders to continue the oppression and abuse. Justice must prevail. Including social and economic justice. If justice does not prevail revenge . .more unfortunately will." Can someone out there who can also speak Cretin translate for those not that stupid? The idiot seems to be saying that current leaders continue oppression of the masses because they have not been able to execute or clap the old Nat leaders in irons, and take all their goodies; and once they have been allowed to do that they will no longer oppress their people? And please explain too how "economic justice" is to be served by the implied need to plunder the economy. It actually takes skill and brains to provide for the populace and to compete in the modern world; unfortunately the old Nats' brainpower and skill were not stolen from the masses, nor can they be redistributed painlessly, it actually takes brains and a work ethic to acquire the skills to do and provide "decent work". Presently it seems the country is hardly capable of running its municipalities, criminal justice system, health system, and the basics required to run a corruption-free civil service. How "dealing with our past" is going to help with all this is unclear; but it seems the "revenge" will! ! . .less by mpho on March 11 2010, 15:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

SADF You either need to get in touch with your feminine side or join the Blue Bulls to get rid of your frustrations. Another brave alternative is for you to confront yourself, honestly and courageously. The truth will set your free. If none of that helps pause . .more to think who the enemy is? Black people? Or the upper class and their political lackeys? Who smile and profit when the tribes in South Africa hurl stones at each other? . .less by Carl Wille on March 11 2010, 16:07 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

War IS coming I have tried to persuade myself that a civil war is ludicrous and could never happen here BUT then i look north and see what has happened. I look around me and note the symptoms on display here and I also note that of the 8m or so minority citizens in . .more this country, only a fraction have the required documentation and financial wherewithall to leave. I agree with SADF. I have shotguns, plenty of ammo and the will to survive. I have NO intention of leaving African Soil. Our only hope is a fighting retreat to a few key coastal, linked positions from where we can consolidate, train ( f***ing quickly) and thereafter establish and defend to the death the borders of a free state. Secession. Crazy but more and more likely with the anarchy and avarice engulfing this country. No taxation without representation etc. etc. and NO we will not be squeezed into oblivion, if we die...so be it, but the prawns better be aware that they will have to fight like fury to take what we have. . .less by Oracle on March 11 2010, 16:13 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Truth hurts, can you handle it? obviously not Judging by the tone of comments expressed above, it looks like no less than 90% of the people are unAfrican. This is concerning considering that the population of this country is at least 80% black. Why is it that more than 80% of this country's . .more wealth rests in the the hand of the people who make up less than 10% of the population?. Is that real democracy? Mother Winnie was right with her recent comments, and we need more comments like that, that's nothing but the truth. Can you handle the truth? Obviously not. Madiba is our hero, we love him, but the truth is he sold this AFRICAN country to the farmer who is not willing to give the land stolen from the Indigenous people - to the Anglos of this world who don't want mines to be nationalised etc. etc. etc . .less by African Man on March 11 2010, 16:46 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ Carl Wille.... white denialism How do my posts suggest any case for white or any other denialism? Besides, "denialism" is not an exclusively racial phenomenon. "Playing the race card" is an old dodge which has questionable validity any time, but especially so decades into . .more majority rule. It is dishonestly overused because it is emotively effective - especially in liberation politics addressing a semi-literate electorate. All governments face problems even criminality within. Blaming someone else (or another race/tribe) never fixes it.... but they all try it on (yes, even the Brits too). Think about this: Zimbabwe independence 1980 and Z$1 = R1.4 plus about 200 000 white population (read "British" in Zim afro-speak or "Boere" in SA afro-speak), & a vibrant working economy. After Independence more blacks are killed by blacks in Gukurahundi than in the entire liberation war; now less than 20 000 mostly elderly whites are left; & most blacks with exportable skills now live in the diaspora,... AND thirty years on, it is still the Brits, Americans & denialist whites to blame. A see-through tired script, don't you think? So, tell us who are the denialists then? Chikurubi Adventurer :) . .less by John Austin, LONDON on March 11 2010, 16:46 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Carl Wille You are the ultimate left-wing bore (one dictionary definition: a wearisome twaddler). Forget your stupid racist/capitalist conspiracy theories.. John Austin, LONDON, and Mpho have shot your inanities to pieces so many times and yet you persist. Go rant . .more on Facebook with Paris Hilton and the rest of the idiots. Next you'll be giving us the old "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" bloody nonsense. Either join the real world or go live on a planer of your choice. Better still go live on Pluto the dwarf planet, it's the furthest away. . .less by Jeff on March 11 2010, 19:53 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Getting it deep from behind, Mr Wille!! Mr Austin - the thing you have to understand about Mr Wille is that he is desperately fearful of the ANC and of Africa. He lies awake at night sweating in angst - he walks around in the day fearing the dagger in his back or the gunshot to the stomach, . .more delivered courtesy of the criminals the ANC unleashed on South Africans. This is the fear he projects here.... His argument has degenerated to "please do not anger the ANC, because then we are all dead!!. Now he is at least correct that the ANC is a fearfully oppressive and anti-democratic government, but perhaps Mr Wille, you should develop a healthier way of projecting your fears? I mean, hating yourself, or whites for that matter, for not bending forward far enough to get it in deep from behind, is somewhat self-defeating, won't you say Old Chap!! . .less by JVR on March 11 2010, 20:04 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

I did not cause the population explosion Mr African Man And Mr African Man -- when farms were formed by the Boers in the 1750s to 1900s (a period of 150 years), more than 50% of South Africa's population was NOT black. That is why the land distribution looks as it does today. You are projecting . .more present condition onto the past - this is not only a mistake, but you are making a call for theft. Mr Mandela did not sell you out, because he could not take (steal) what is not his. No international court would agree that farms owned already BEFORE South Africa was formed in 1910, or even as late as 1948, have been "stolen" from blacks. It is just not so. One more thing ... the reason that there are so many poor black people in SA today is ENTIRELY DUE TO a POPULATION EXPLOSION AFTER 1950... If black people had smaller families from 1950 -- 2010, there would not have been the large young poor black population. Do not blame me for the poverty, because I did not cause the population explosion. . .less by JVR on March 11 2010, 20:10 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Carl Wille, truly silly! Consider this precious gem from his fevered brain : "Failing to deal with our past allows current leaders to continue the oppression and abuse. Justice must prevail. Including social and economic justice. If justice does not prevail revenge . . .more .more unfortunately will." Can someone out there who can also speak Cretin translate for those not that stupid? The idiot seems to be saying that current leaders continue oppression of the masses because they have not been able to execute or clap the old Nat leaders in irons, and take all their goodies; and once they have been allowed to do that they will no longer oppress their people? And please explain too how "economic justice" is to be served by the implied need to plunder the economy. It actually takes skill and brains to provide for the populace and to compete in the modern world; unfortunately the old Nats' brainpower and skill were not stolen from the masses, nor can they be redistributed painlessly, it actually takes brains and a work ethic to acquire the skills to do and provide "decent work". Presently it seems the country is hardly capable of running its municipalities, criminal justice system, health system, and the basics required to run a corruption-free civil service. How "dealing with our past" is going to help with all this is unclear; but it seems the "revenge" will . .less by mpho on March 11 2010, 20:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Koos @DrusaDiki Go back 2 steps. Mbeki was not London's man, tho he had illusions. He made command decisions they hated. They needed a guy they could control, in context of the world econ breakdown crisis. London used Zuma as a battering ram to get rid of Mbeki, but with . .more intent to trash Zuma soon (which is now). They could not have used Sexwale to dump Mbeki, but will try to use Sexwale/Malema to dump Zuma. (Those who said from the start, "No to Mbeki, no to Zuma" know the whole strategy.) Yes, media hype is important, but is controlled from above. It is easy to pull off Zuma's wheels because he is not equipped to lead. His approach is to reflect the will of the ANC, but the ANC is badly divided and includes his enemies, such as Sexwale, so it doesn't function. RSA does not a strong hand at the top, but not one controlled from London. Winnie is right about the mass of the people remaining in dire poverty, but what is her "black capital"? If Sexwale owns a company (with ties, debts, and political debts to London), is that black capital? Who controls "the markets"? We need a 4-Power Agreement of Russia, China, India, & a reawakened (non-British) U.S., to give sovereign governments the power to control issuance of credit. Nothing less will work. Not easy. But do that, or die. This is where LaRouche comes in, larouchepac*com, larouchepub*com. . .less by David Cherry on March 11 2010, 20:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Correction I meant to write, "RSA does NEED a strong hand at the top, but not one controlled from London." by David Cherry on March 11 2010, 20:45 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

White Denial and Abuse JVR, Mpho, Jeff, John. Richard Goldstone heard the same sort of thing from Israel recently when he held up a mirror for them to see themselves. It was not a pretty picture. I do not hate whites. Nor do I hate blacks. I hate oppression, . .more exploitation, abuse, injustice and pretence. I am not afraid of anything JVR, but I think you are. In fact I think you are terrified. I also think you are in denial about it. Mpho, I am sorry there is not enough space to take you through it slowly. How about you stop to think and reflect before posting your emotional and abusive diatribes? We have to instil a culture of leadership accountability in this country and continent to stop the cycle of abuse by leaders of their citizens. We also have to instil a respect for the rule of law. We have to start with the unfinished business of the TRC. Why should any of us take the law seriously if past and present leaders get away with murder? Nice try John. What is crystal clear is that you all have a huge amount to loose by confronting the truth and your respective pasts. I am staying Jeff. . .less by Carl Wille on March 11 2010, 22:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

You go too far JVR, Mr Wille has happily and satisfactorily bent far forward Bearing in mind his advice to SADF to the effect that : "You either need to get in touch with your feminine side or join the Blue Bulls to get rid of your frustrations. Another brave alternative is for you to confront yourself, honestly and . .more courageously. The truth will set your free." and his present stance vis a vis the ANC, one can conclude that he has indeed gotten in touch with his feminine side, albeit NOT, as you point out, in the missionary position. Mr Wille owes you a debt of gratitude for you confronting him honestly and courageously with the truth about himself, hopefully this will indeed set Mr Wille free. Mr Wille has often expressed dismay at dreaming of democracy at election time whilst not knowing who funds the DA. It matters not that nobody knows who (apart from Chancellor House) funds the ANC; it's the mystery of who funds the DA that blights Mr Wille's dreams of democracy. Hopefully your honest and courageous confronting of Mr Wille with the truth about himself will set him free on this score as well. We look forward to a set free of fear of the ANC Carl Wille in the morning. . .less by mpho on March 11 2010, 23:01 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Carl Wille.... "What is crystal clear...." You are wrong in your assumption of clarity about what I have to lose from the truth & my past. I have tried in vain for it to be formally dealt with by the flawed TRC1. That is why I do agree with you concerning accountability & perhaps a (final) . .more TRC2. I still think you need to cool the accusatory "white denial" catch-all term you use, as it comes across as racially biased. Denialism & it's various forms of dishonest bedfellows know not race. They are human failings. Call the spade a spade, by all means, but avoid tarring all with one brush. Tjeeerrs, John Austin :) . .less by John Austin, LONDON on March 11 2010, 23:07 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Carl Wille You just dont get it,dont you? It'not about white capitalism , white denial etc.It's simply about whites wanting the ANC to rule the country in a responsible way! by jsb on March 11 2010, 23:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

the cure I am an HIV researcher and have managed to engineer a form of HIV that expresses a human ovarian antigen- long story short, infection with this virus causes HIV AND rapid onset female sterility. Once released into the population this virus will hopefully . .more spread unnoticed until the birth rate starts dropping off and someone notices but by then it will be too late - with this biological form of birth control, the poor ignorant promiscuous masses will literally wipe themselves out over the next 20 - to 30 years and much of the third world will be there for the taking. Hold tight and hold thumbs this thing works, if it does, it may just be the thing that saves the planet. Adios. . .less by Pasteur on March 11 2010, 23:33 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Pasteur is a lunatic .... Pasteur You are completely bonkers, ignorant, and raving crazy, and probably infected with your own virus, which happens to be tertiary syphilis. Go try your delusional and lunatic population control efforts elsewhere. People make their choices, and . .more they will face the consequences of what choices they make. After all, nature will take its course, as it always does, and we shall eventually know the results. . .less by JVR on March 12 2010, 00:03 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

exile you mad with the goverment get in exile by noel on March 12 2010, 01:01 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

White Denial. Julius. Mpho. I choose not to engage at your level. John. Then I apologise. You appear to be one of the few prepared to confront your past. I do, however, think that few Brits and White South Africans are prepared to acknowledge that they benefited . .more from past injustices. My original posting was: "I was wondering whether white capitalism, white greed, white exploitation, white materialism, white privilege, white racism and white denial should not accept some of the blame for the rise of Julius? Who, I wonder, put that grotesque statute of Saint Madiba in the holiest of South African shrines: Mandela Square? Who paid the black political elites to compromise South Africans?" Is there any truth in this statement? If it is all hogwash why are the likes of Mpho, Jeff and JVR frothing from the mouth? Mpho, once you regain your equilibrium, please tell me what is so wrong with transparency of political party funding? Why are you prepared to stoop to Julius's levels to defend secrecy in this regard? Have you got something to hide? And what makes you jump to the wild conclusion that I support the ANC? I suppose in your world everyone has to belong to a tribe or a party? I dislike all politicians equally. Justice must prevail. . .less by Carl Wille on March 12 2010, 04:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

He does get it JSB ... He is asking white South Africans to reflect on how their past has contributed to the present? Including the present shambles in government. Do you get it? by Che on March 12 2010, 04:36 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Transparency? I'm for it! But I have not seen you ask all political to disclose their funders, it's only the DA you've repeatedly fingered. What gets my goat is the constant(allegedly non-racist nogal!) harping on "white" this and "white" that. Apparently everything . .more "white" is BAD but that which is "black", if BAD, is blamed on the "whites"; it really is sickening. It does not make me froth at the mouth though, it just disgusts me. A point which is lost sight of is that virtually everything in modern civilisation which is worth anything was invented/developed/put in place by the non-negroid races. In this country they had not even invented writing by the turn of the 17th century, some say they had then not yet invented use of the wheel! Given the unenlightened mores of those times it is no surprise there was gross exploitation which continued well into the twentieth century; it took an awfully long time for slavery to be abolished and the "liberal" values of today to become entrenched in the Western World. It is obvious that "whites" benefitted massively from apartheid, but NOT necessarily through theft. It is also true that blacks benefited, even under "white domination". It is highly unlikely that South Africa would have been as advanced as it is if it had not been for "white civilisation" This is not to condone practices which, by todays' . .less by mpho on March 12 2010, 09:04 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Carl Wille : Transparency and the whites standards are beyond the pale. The white electorate, in a referendum in 1992(?) voted for democracy and an end to the racist practices of the past. The nation was led by Nelson Mandela who preached tolerance and forgiveness and the foundation of a . .more united nation founded on an enlightened Constitution and a Bill of Rights. But instead of forging ahead in the spirit of Mandela's call, the ruling party has chosen to inflict racist laws and practices on the country, ostensibly to "level the playing fields" and to "correct past imbalances" which they certainly don't do. They are simply nice-sounding cliches used as cover up racist practices as bad as some of those under Verwoerd. e.g. Eskom importing foreign blacks and putting them in posts which require them to do no work, for the mere sake of filling their "quota" for black workers! The ANC's racist policies, coupled with Black greed, Black capitalism, Black exploitation, Black materialism, Black privilege, Black racism and Black denial, and above all Black incompetence are ruining this country. Do tell, is White !@#$% any different from Black !@#$%? I don't think it is. So instead of fixating on past White sins, why don't you fixate on current Black sins, and cut out the stupid Black-serving excuses? Doing this will surely take us forward. . .less by mpho on March 12 2010, 09:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Nice one Jeremy... Riled up the natives have you. Good on you, like the article. Why can't the non-white population of this country demand decent honest upstanding people who are LEADERS. Who gives a flying fox what colour they are, as long as we get some leadership, . .more please. Why does Africa accept the rubbish that lead them? . .less by and Zen... on March 12 2010, 10:26 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

White Denial. Julius. Mpho. Thank you for raising your game Mpho. Some very good points you raise there. I dislike black capitalism, black greed, black exploitation, black materialism, black privilege, black racism, black arrogance and black denial as much as I do white. . .more I dislike black politicians and their business partners in crime as much as I do white. In this instance I am challenging white South Africans and Brits to honesty and truthfully reflect on how their past has contributed to the present? Including the present shambles in government and the rise of Julius. If there is not full disclosure of political party funding democracy is a farce. Let us realise that the emperor has no clothes. Stop fooling ourselves? Who is pulling whose strings? The upper class? Justice must prevail. Or revenge will. It really is that simple. Playing the man is seldom a productive exercise. An unfortunate South African habit. Part of our tribal, insular and oppressive past. Do you get it? Mpho? . .less by Carl Wille on March 12 2010, 12:55 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Justice or Revenge? Bring me my machine gun ... by Che on March 12 2010, 13:46 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Denialism - its there, in Black Right Carl, I actually think we are sort of all singing from a similar hymn sheet (but not at all in tune) :( Perhaps we can all agree with part of your latest post: "I dislike black capitalism, black greed, black exploitation, black . .more materialism, black privilege, black racism, black arrogance & black denial as much as I do white. I dislike black politicians and their business partners in crime as much as I do white." BUT, you do come across lop-sided when you persistently harp on "white" this and "white" that. Personally, I don't see the helpfullness in confronting these real issues with a "racist" & inflamatrory pitch. I think that is why you seem to get up the noses of some? I don't see how invoking anger is usefull when trying to convince others to a point of view. There are good folk in ALL races as there are greedy, exploitatative, arrogant & denialists in all races. Trying to argue who threw the first stone is a no brainer - it leads to an angry sulky stalemate that achieves nothing but ongoing burning resentment (in my humble opinion). One last observation on responses to these posts: The further from the language of the gutter, usually the better & more rational the arguments - interesting, hey? I think I have posted more than enough here now. So, tjeerrrs all. A Chikurubi Graduate :) :) :) . .less by John Austin, LONDON on March 12 2010, 16:47 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Carl Wille Another one of your pearls Carl : "Playing the man is seldom a productive exercise. An unfortunate South African habit. Part of our tribal, insular and oppressive past. Do you get it? Mpho?" You're a patronising dweet Carl . .more who seems to think stringing a couple of cliches together, and making opaque statements are a contribution to debate. Look at this ridiculous assertion : "Playing the man is seldom a productive exercise, it's part of our tribal, insular and oppressive past." The last part of the sentence is unadulterated bullshit; is saying so playing the man? Surely not! And if I say the man who said this is talking bullshit? No? And if I say Carl Wille, who said this, is talking bullshit? Maybe you should concentrate more on making sense rather than on taking criticism too personally. Geddit Carl? . .less by mpho on March 12 2010, 22:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

WHEELS - DEALS - MEALS - -SEALS - THE rhyme of South Africa, and of course the wheels are coming off...we are faced with potholes of corruption, racism, greed, mismanagement and dishonesty in all respects with the ANC !! Julie is the biggest ar*****e in the whole wide world. by MARIE VAN GRAAN - WESTONARIA on March 15 2010, 20:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Noise All this is just noise. SA has past the point of no return. Stare in to the Pit! by mike on April 15 2010, 07:19 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Stupid Smiler There is an old Chinese proverb that says. "Beware of the smile that hides the stupidity of the smiler." by Smile on April 15 2010, 13:16 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

leadershipvoid I am one of millions of stupids that will continue to vote for the ANC and it's incompetent leaders. You fail to understand that the likes of us prefer to be robbed, mugged and raped by the government and its representatives. Our present suffering is . .more better than that under apartheid when we at least had a place of safety and food to eat. And dont you worry or tru to analyse why we do what we do. We will continue to vote for the ANC, because it will always be stupid people that will run that party and stupid people that will carry it's membership cards and stupid people that will vote for them. Hendrik Verwoerd were right then and still is. . .less by bulius malema. on April 17 2010, 16:01 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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