South Africa's white Coloureds

The controversy around the statement about the number of "Coloureds" in the Western Cape and recent articles about this group of people promp one to ask for a definition  of a "Coloured" person.

In a previous article I claimed that the Black Economic Empowerment Act provides no definition for "Coloureds". It merely states that  Blacks are "Africans, Coloureds and Indians".  I contended that anyone claiming to have the genes of an indigenous African  or of any non-European, can, in terms of the Act, claim to be Black.

I went on to say that Eva, the Khoi (or "Hottentot") girl,who grew up in Jan van Riebeeck's house, was not the only non-European woman to marry a European in South Africa.  In H.F. Heese's book, Groep Sonder Grense, the particulars of more than a thousand  marriages between Europeans and non-European people in the period 1652 to 1795 in the Cape are recorded.

Nobody has ever sat down to work out how many Afrikaners have non-European genes which would enable them to claim to be  Blacks, but I have now made a list of the surnames and numbers of people who married descendants of just one of Eva's great-grandchildren. I have included in this list only those surnames of which seven or more people married persons with Eva's genes.

To get an idea of how many Afrikaners this list represents, I can mention that one of the 106 Swanepoels on the list was my great-grandfather. His descendants alone run into the hundreds.

Genealogists will tell you that Afrikaners are practically all related to each other. Technically, therefore, all Afrikaners can claim to be black.  Dividing South Africans on racial grounds, however, is not only morally reprehensible, it is also legally unsound and people with the means to do so should test its validity in Court.

SURNAMES AND   NUMBERS OF SOME OF THE PERSONS WHO  MARRIED PELSER   DESCENDANTS OF EVA, THE KHOI GIRL

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@ piet swanepoel zulus are also coloured remember john dunn......ANC is not respnsible I blame DA for this by zulu carpet on March 15 2011, 13:29 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Its a free for all circus now! Piet Swanepoel, I think the term you are looking for is mixed race. Please use it in future. Is it fashionable to be a coloured these days? by Jason Ely on March 15 2011, 14:08 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Colouredness Why cant people be classified in terms of their skin colour?. Afrikaners(and also white english-speakers) have some "asian" blood coming from Java. Some historians put the figure at as low as 1% and others put the figure as high as 7%. Heese also . .more mentioned in one of his earlier books that some of the blondiest of people have non-white ancestery butfor all practical reasons these people are white in every sence of the word. In America some white people also have native-indian ancestery. The Spanish people have Berber-blood in their genes but they are white. Racial classification can not be wished away. Some whites in New Zealand have Moari genes. Classification of races and "tribes" is not the problem. The ideology behind it is the problem when in it is used. Why would a Afrikaner like me claim to be 'black" to be treated better?. We have some pride! The "Black Economic Empowerment Act" wants to uplift the previously disadvantaged and so be it. To claim something your not to satisfy the ANC are just lame. There was a time when Afrikaners also faced the same problems of black people in the new south africa. Before the Nationalist won the 48-election state departments were dominated by English-speakers. The Nats gave tenders to Afrikaners insted of english-speakers. Afrikaners also became educated through hard word............ . .less by Republican on March 15 2011, 14:11 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Piet Swanepole, you could be my son according to the genealogy above ...and i am black... what's up son!!!!! by hoegaanditseun on March 15 2011, 14:18 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Afrikaners .....In the end only Natal were dominated by English-speakers. Today 2 out of the richest 4 persons in South-Africa are from Afrikaner stock. The Afrikaners largely were succesful in uplifting the tribe. Thus i can understand where the ANC come from. The . .more only problem is that the ANC will not be succesful in their quest. Trying to fight the ANC by claiming to be 0.1%, 1% or 7% 'black" is not the way to go. . .less by Republican on March 15 2011, 14:20 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

WTF? What's with the current coloured obsession sweeping SA? For the longest time we were a non-entity, now everyone wants a piece of us... LOL by Brad on March 15 2011, 15:00 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Brad Haha.....funny indeed! by Republican on March 15 2011, 15:05 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Rugby:New Zealand Moaris I wonder if the New Zealand Moari rugby team still plays against other teams? I once watched a game and half the "moaris" looked white. These whites qualified due to moari ancestry. by Republican on March 15 2011, 15:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Planet Coloureds Yep I think this explaines just about everything related to so called "race" Come on, is there any "pure" race left on the planet? Eveybody is coloured man - even Hitler was! by Bula on March 15 2011, 15:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

African tribe does this mean all Afrikaners are going to 'mix'. Haha! they may be mixed race, but they definitely don't want to mix. That's because they're afraid they'll lose the little (Europeaness) they have. I think, the reason the world disliked them so much when . .more they were in power was because they were purporting to be European, but they are essentially an African tribe. All their boorishness, stupidity, brutishness and arrogance clangs of African thinking. If only they had sold themselves as such to the world, instead of trying to pass off as Europeans they would probably have been left alone to carry on suppressing their fellow tribes. . .less by Henry on March 15 2011, 15:33 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Gravy Train Does this mean that we all may now climb on the Gravy Train and are BEE eligible? LOL! by Bula on March 15 2011, 15:37 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Sure, and what is the point then? This is the thing with genes and memes -- Afrikaners are Afrikaners and there is an Afrikaner gene pool which mostly formed in the period 1650-1700, give or take, from uncertain origins. Included were Dutch free burghers, girls from Dutch orphanages, . .more German soldiers, French Hugeneuts, Meisjes van die Kaap (Khoi), slave girls from Java (as much as 10% of the mix, apparently), etc etc. But this makes Afrikaners just Afrikaners, there is a pool of ancentors, and that is that. The claim that this makes Afrikaners mixed race (and this from a contingent of people who claim that race does not exist!!) is, from a sociological point view, in the same class of the question "What is an Afrikaner". It is tautological, empty of meaning. Boers alive today are Boers (not mixed race, or black, or even white per se, although genetically overwhelmingly European), carry a gene and meme pool which can be traced back right to 1700. There were later additions and admixture of English, Irish, Scottish, etc genes, but this is smallish, and not really relevent. And Henry, you are right, us Boers are an African tribe. We have always stood on our own feet. Unlike the Anglos, we did not need a European power to look after us. We did it on our own. This is why you lot, and the vile ANC bunch, are so envious -- this looks bad on you . .less by JVR on March 15 2011, 16:58 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@JVR Stem saam JVR. Hierdie ouens bring net kleur in wanneer dit hulle pas en wanneer dit hulle nie pas nie dan vermy hulle dit. Die Afrikaner/Boerse kultuur is net soos ander oor dekades gevorm. Ons is wie ons is an basta met die res. by Republican on March 15 2011, 17:14 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Ya'll sound dumb If you are from Africa you are African. Nobody thinks oh Afrikkans are different from Africans. You all sound ignorant and inbred. by Yall sound dumb on March 15 2011, 18:19 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

What a bunch of liberal propaganda All I have to say is this is the same old brainwashing like all the liberal/anc propaganda before it. I'm actually laughing reading this, if you beleive this C*** you will beleive anything. I quote a saying that is very tue: "A people who . .more are not convinced of their uniqueness and value will perish." and this quote is so true about the above article: "Propaganda is a major component in all power systems, both secular and religious; false propaganda is a major component of unprincipled power systems. All power systems endeavor to convince their subjects that the system is good, just, beneficent and noble, as well as worthy of perpetuation and defense. The more jingoistic propaganda issued, the more suspicious one should be of its truth." And the last point I want to make is that Blacks mixed with indian and the khoi/san people nobody says anything about that, so why must I beleive this rubbish that is written above? . .less by kampfruf on March 15 2011, 18:45 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

good on her, mate No, you are right JVR, the boers stood on their own feet. They always have. The Anglo's have always relied on mother England, just to be let down, time and again. This does not annul the Boer inferiority complex, which leads (still) to contorted, . .more wrong thinking, and extremism. This is just the same problem the blacks have. They have an inferiority complex which leads to contorted, wrong thinking and extremism. In building South Africa, the Nats did a great job at developing the people. They did a lousy job at managing their relations with their fellow tribes. Perhaps, I would like to know, is why won't the Afrikaners in general, mix? The boers where I live, if you are on the wrong side of the colour spectrum, are a bunch of superiorist, bullying @ssholes. They cannot see the humanity of the people they still subjegate. Integration (through mating), the story of South Africa, would completely destroy conflict and give the descendents of the Boers a finalised justification for living in Southern Africa. . .less by Henry on March 15 2011, 18:59 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

AABEE black on white Good point Mr Swanepoel. For AA or BEE purposes, who is to say, that if I claim to be black, that I am not, even if I am white. What, are they going to use the pencil test on us at job interviews? by Joe on March 15 2011, 19:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Henry What do you mean by "Perhaps, I would like to know, is why won't the Afrikaners in general, mix?". " the story of South Africa, would completely destroy conflict and give the descendents of the Boers a finalised justification for living in Southern . .more Africa"- what a yoke we dont need justification! Conflict will not be destroyed if we all mix. If theres only one race the race would probably fight(class struggle or rich against poor) among themselfs. Afrikaners do in fact mix with other people. I know a few Afrikaners who married non-whites although they are from countries like Thailand, Japan and Bolivia. I have also seen many Afrikaner who are befriended with blacks. I lived in London whith a Xhosa for 3 months. But we must be realistic. Integration (Mating) will not solve the problems of South Africa and the world. Let us rather celebrate diversity. One culture is stupid. One culture will mean that we wont get to experiens those Hawain dancers, bullfighting (debatable) or the Suffi dancing in Turkey. Afrikaners like to mostly mix with their own and so what . .less by Republican on March 15 2011, 20:24 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Republican @Kampfruf "A people who are not convinced of their uniqueness and value will perish." But aren't we perishing? Even though we are convinced of our uniqueness, it doesn't stop our intellects from dispersing, our skilled people from leaving, our . .more farmers from being driven off the land, our people being driven into poverty and murdered. So we should find some other way to survive. Humans have always mixed. We even mixed with Neanderthals when we went to Europe (no doubt, to survive). If we don't integrate with them we will perish. I know, it will never happen. If nothing else, small town community norms drive us apart. But the few "thinkers" that are left should be fighting this. For the sake of the survival of the Afrikaner, albeit in a new browner form. If the Afrikaners never wanted this outcome they should never have come to Africa. For those who argue that "what will happen to my son if he ends up as a hotnot in the lokasie?" then I should say, you should stay and be a father. Influencing the broken African society with family values will have a huge stabilising effect to last 1000 years. Are you Convinced in your values, then you should not be afraid. Unless someone can suggest a better strategy at long term survival. . .less by Henry on March 15 2011, 21:27 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Insecure for reason Henry, not inferior.... To mix Henry, is to disappear. Perhaps that is your choice, but people who choose not to mix and to live into future generations, have a human right to do so. Surely you would not argue that Jews or Pennsylvanian Dutch or Maoris mix . .more and disappear? Now why do you suggest that Boers do that? Lastly, you confuse inferiority complex with a feeling of deepseated insecurity (killings by Zulus/Xhosas, oppressive language laws, BW concentration camps, farm murders, house invations, rapes, those things leave deep scars). Boers are insecure, and never have had an inferiority complex. Anglos in SA were secure because mother England, although letting them down, are full of their kind (and they even came over to SA to fight wars in in the interest of SAcan Anglos in in Zululand and again in the Boer War in a disputes over mines and control of Southern Africa). . .less by JVR on March 15 2011, 21:43 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Oh Henry, and one more thing... ... Afrikaners did not "Choose to come to Africa". Afrikaners originated in Africa from disperse peoples who ended up here either forcibly (orphans, slaves), or who was stationed here by East India Company decree (Soldiers, Company officials), . .more or who was brought here after being expelled from France (Hugenuets). At that time, none of them were Afrikaners, they become Afrikaners (and Boers) later on. Not elsewhere, but in SA. . .less by JVR on March 15 2011, 21:47 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

race classification The lunacy of this controversy is highlighted that virtually the whole world's population originated in Africa. In short, THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE IS "AFRICAN." by Terry Crawford-Browne on March 16 2011, 00:39 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The whole Human Race is African. Too right, Terry. People are people. I have travelled in over forty countries and while cultures differ, the values stay the same. A Japanese father cries no less for his children than a Haitian or an Iraqi. We are all the same, and in an increasingly . .more globalised world we best get used to getting along on this little planet of ours. We have finite resources and the sooner we learn to stop fighting each other for them, to the profit of the few, the sooner all our children will live the lifestyles we wish for them. Borders, passports, nationalities, these are constructs to divide and rule, we need to embrace our common humanity - because it's the right thing to do! . .less by Afrikahna on March 16 2011, 02:27 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@JVR I think, if you told the blue eyed Pakistani that he wasn't a descendent of Alexander the Great's army he would be dissapointed, or, if you told a Druse that he was not a descendent of a crusader, it would steal from him his identity. You are quite . .more wrong in saying to mix is to disappear. To mix, actually, is to perpetuate yourself into future generations. Long after Afrikaner culture is dead, your descendants (if they mix, and are not annihilated) will be plying the land, or walking along it. 300 years of human history is just a tiny drop in the ocean of what was and is yet to come. We should all be free to associate with who we want, but there should also be an broad awareness that wholesale shirking of one group by another is a dangerous game to play. . .less by Henry on March 16 2011, 04:58 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

SA's kaleidescope of people My mother was a Swanepoel and generally, other than Piet Swanepoel, most comments about his article appear to be aimed at taking this thorny subject in a different direction. One of her brothers was also a Piet. My mother was short in stature so . .more could this be attributed Khoi genes being present in their gene pool? The original gene pool appears to have had it’s origin in a Dutch village with the name of Swanepoel according to genealogists. To me it is a fact that, despite the recorded names and numbers in the article, many more “white” South Africans will be found to have a mixed gene pool. JVR makes a valid point when he says that people do not lose their identity when marrying outside their faith or colour. From personal experience I can say that what happens is that differences, in our case Jews and Muslims, has brought new values to the family and has strengthened us. Unfortunately there exists a cadre of ANC deployed cronies who wish to make other colours and languages disappear. For many of these misguided people hanker to make it official government policy that we be labeled and placed in separate little boxes. This emerging ethos returns us to the days of a nation in limbo. Let us stop them now before another four generation have to grow up knowing they live in a country with reprehensible laws. . .less by Chris Potgieter on March 16 2011, 05:54 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

verwoerd must be turning in his grave lol yho by mzala on March 16 2011, 07:38 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

coloureds This was one of the many shameful tragedies pf apartheid, and in the end ensured it's collapse. It will destroy the ANC too - in the end. by witbooi on March 16 2011, 08:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Comments on the article. Some of the comments on this article have saddened me immensely. One "Henry" used it as a basis to refer to the "boorishness, stupidity, brutishness and arrogance" of Afrikaners. The man must hate us passionately ! The whole purpose of the article was to . .more show up the weakness in the BEE Act and to point out a way in which it might be attacked. Some commentators appear to confuse race with nationhood. The fact that I have some non-European genes does not alter my identity as an Afrikaner. In fact I was probably the first person to plead in print for an Afrikaner Homeland. That was in 1965 and I still believe it should be the ideal for Afrikaners. Afrikaners, as I see us, are not racists. We are a people who speak Afrikaans. The real racists, to my mind, are the Henry's of this world who conveniently prefer to remain anonymous. . .less by Piet swanepoel on March 16 2011, 08:45 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Tarred and feathered As a younger man , I seem to recall an afrikaans professor was tarred and feathered for daring to infer that all afrikaners have 7% mixed race blood in their veins . Who was that prof . Piet Swanepoels article seems to cement the profs theory . .more - although a lot of truth and weight should be attached to "by JVR on March 15 2011, 16:58" assertions . . .less by Green Room on March 16 2011, 08:48 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The ANC's racism is so irritating! As far as I can tell the terms Blacks, Whites Coloureds and Indians do not occur anywhere in our Constitution. These descriptions were part and parcel of a racist regime we ostensibly threw off in 1994. But the ANC under the Black . .more racist Nationalist Mbeki and his successor Zuma, contrived to get political mileage and race-biased privilege out of retaining the old devisive apartheid classifications, and put in place racist laws (e.g. the Employment Equity Act) to give effect to the racial privilege they needed to bestow on the racial majority to secure their votes for generations to come. In the process the Constitution's founding value of non-racialism was, and continues to be brutalised. Anyone declaring that South Africa is a non-racial democracy is either a liar or a deluded fool. Strangely, the minorities in SA have put up with the ANC's racist unconstitutional laws and their criminal corruption and looting of the country's resources. How long will they let these racist excesses and injustices, and their impoverishment through unconstitutional unfair racial discrimination continue? Many of us are gatvol to the death! . .less by mpho on March 16 2011, 09:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@piet Swanepoel How can you say that I hate Afrikaners just because I call a spade a spade? I've lived in this country my whole life. I am from names on your list (du Buisson, Grobler and Kruger) and the kindest gentlest people I know are Afrikaner. Some of the most . .more cultured and educated too. Afrikaners are truly a God fearing group (the ones I know, at least). What I hate are the dynamics in Afrikaner communities that repress, stifle and sideline themselves and other people sharing the "space" with them (I wouldn't say sharing their community.) These dynamics get policed by the brutes I speak of. I am referring to certain small town Afrikaner communities. A community has norms which are self sustaining, and it is these norms which I hate. One of these community norms is "Thou shalt not mix across the colour bar, or we shall deny all opportunity to you and smite your children." There are many hundreds of thousands of Afrikaners who would shirk at this too, no doubt. It is also this community norm which threatens the future of all whites in this country. If we were Jewish and the coloureds were Jewish we would be mixing by now. So, because we are Christian and they are Christian, why aren't we mixing more? Repressive Afrikaner communities deny us this right and expose us to ethnic cleansing in the future. . .less by Henry on March 16 2011, 11:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

white africans How much more banal/anal can you get? We are a laughing stock being fixated on race! by jabulani on March 16 2011, 11:29 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Ja but you didn't use OMO for too many years nuh? The white is whiter and colour are washed out by the years. Why you gatkruip the ANC racists anyway? They dont repect Koi. They don't respect law and they use racist comments to stir up their voters while they blame others for their failure nuh? by Klilling on March 16 2011, 11:49 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

You dont fool me Henry Your sudden taking the "moral highground" position dont fool me. In your previous comments you used the Darwinian notion of the "survival of the fittest" to propagate "mating" to solve a "problem". The assumption is that Afrikaners are experiencing a . .more "survival' crisis and that they should "mate" to "protect" themselfs. You also mentioned the inferiority complex of Afrikaners and black people. Later you refered to the perceived "superiorist, bullying @ssholes' called boers. Even if you were refering to "small town Afrikaner" its not logical. It would be the same for me to call for the destruction of 'Jews" and "gypsies" in Nazi-Germany or to call for for english-speakers (I have experienced some pretty harse anti-Afrikaner feeling and bafoonary from a few members in that community) to mate with Afrikaners. I dont however call for these people to mate with Afrikaners to solve a "problem". If they dont want to speak Afrikaans so be it and if some of these people dont like me so be it. Why dont some Anglos mate to "outmate" themselfs?. I f some of these people dont want to mate across the colour bar so be it. . .less by Republican on March 16 2011, 12:33 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

bad hair day No you're right, you can't force people to do things you want them to do. As far as Anglo's go, they are just as disliked in some places of the world,including their own country, for the same reason the boers are, or perhaps their own reasons. (Lets . .more be under no illusions) The real Anglo's, the Americans, the Irish, the French etc. are also disliked. So, if someone dislikes you, so be it. Obviously you have never been a "bruin man boetie" (to try and temper the real description). If you were you would know what it is like to be on the receiving end of a bad boer hair day. That is the whole problem with Boers, why should I be subject to them because they don't like what I am doing. So be it, or so it should be. Please don't take away my livelihood (as they do). No, I stand by my assertion. All whites (not just the Boers) are going to get annihilated if they don't mix. The more time they waste the worse it will be for them. The black men are coming, and a return to the old order is out, even if the Boers stage a coup d'etat. . .less by Henry on March 16 2011, 14:36 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Right on the money jabulani! But it's no longer the "whites" who are fixated on race, it's the Blacks under Black Nationalist ANC rule. Who do you think put the stinking racist Employment "Equity" Act on the Statute book? It's the ANC's ill advised belated . .more reply to equally stinking job reservation practiced by the Nats. But job reservation was no more well before 1994; it now lives on only in the ANC's racist Statutes and practices. . .less by mpho on March 16 2011, 14:45 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Henry, your genetic determinism is so 20th Century!! Henry Even Geneticists are starting to concede that genetic determinism, in which you indulge above, are probably very incomplete. Far more important are the interactions of culture on genes, and there is now solid scientific proof for . .more epigenetics in addition to cellular processes which have nothing to do with genes promoting and enhancing or repressing the expression of particular genes. It is so much 20th Century politics to play on genetics with the purpose of achieving a political outcome!! I state it now again, so that you are not uncertain about what I mean. To mix is to dissappear. Afrikaans, and Afrikaners are carried only partly by genes, without the genes no Afrikaners. But that is only 10% of the story, the other 90% is memes (culture, language, history, myths) - those things which makes us human and Afrikaans. Genetics is for animals, cultural memes gives us identiy (as Afrikaners) and makes us human. If you believe that it is all genes, then why are Jews and Palestinians so different? Afrikaners, as have everybody else, have a human right to perpetuate themselves into the future as they see fit, and to do that deliberately. (BTW, your attempts to use genetics in politics would make certain people very mad at you, as it hankers back to the period 1930-1945, or even earlier, to eugenics) . .less by JVR on March 16 2011, 16:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

genetic determinism I am not quite sure how you come to think that I believe in genetics and genetic determinism, just because I say "mate". No, my belief is more sociological: there are big powerful groups/tribes in this country that are committed to Afrikaner . .more destruction. I believe they will achieve their objective if the Afrikaners and whites don't change their strategy, which currently is to stay distinct (genetically). Racism here in South Africa is more social than with genetic basis. As the article on this page notes, most/all Afrikaners have a "touch of tar". My point is that we can still maintain "memes" as you call them, i.e. our cultural traits and identity, but still deracialise and become more integrated. We should do this, because to keep our racial hackles up antagonises the more powerful and populace groups in this country. And I worry that one day Rwanda will come to South Africa. . .less by Henry on March 16 2011, 17:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

But Henry... ... your proposed solution then boils down to "Commit suicide, or you will be killed". This is a crazy proposal. Why would you propose that Boers do the ANC's dirty work for them? Are you engaging in (Marxist . .more Inspired) Psy-Ops on Afrikaners? If so, a greater level of intellectual sofistication will be needed for you lot to succeed. . .less by JVR on March 16 2011, 18:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Henry After the great Afrikaner Holocaust, What then? Even if 2 000 000 Afrikaners get wiped out there still will be a 1 000 000 or so left. This will send a "electrical shock" through the hards of Afrikaners sowing the seeds for further conflict. This is like . .more blaming the Jews for their own deaths in the camps. The holocaust led to the rise of zionism. Even if Afrikaners are all wiped out the new "scapegoat' status will probably be transfered to the Indian Community or other groups. So now Afrikaners have to bare the brunt for South-Africa's problems! . .less by Republican on March 16 2011, 18:44 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Afrikaners were PURE WHITE under apartheid, but now admit COLOUREDNESS This article is stupid. How black is black? Makes Afrikaaners out to be @r$e creepers of the first class kind because the pander toi the prevailing political whims of colour that is in favour by Ally on March 16 2011, 18:45 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

haha, yes I am beginning to feel that way Again JVR I don't know how you come to this conclusion. I am saying integrate/mix or die (probably), so that South Africa converges towards a homogenous society. (I am also not forcing this on you with Marxism), it is an observation, a . .more worry, which I assume some other people have worried about too. If we don't unite as a nation we will all end up killing each other. From the position we are in now, those of us who don't emmigrate will be put in a weaker and weaker position with time. Then, when we are weak enough, the death blow will come. Since we can't reassume political superiority (if you think about it) the best strategy is to integrate and stop sticking out like sore thumbs. If there is one thing you should know, (for instance from the Boere of Patagonia,) is that boer culture doesn't die easily. The Boers of Patagonia have mixed with the Spanish, but they still speak Afrikaans as best their isolation allows them. I say we should mix too. Not with Japanese, or Thai or European, but with our own people, if you can call blacks and coloureds that. . .less by Henry on March 16 2011, 19:01 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Henry please........ You are thinking in Stalinistic terms. Stalin tried your proposal but he didnt succeed in the end. Nations were subjected to Soviet rule. Stalin killed his own people, Tribes, Georgians, Hungarians, Poles and other were killed. A country like Poland . .more survived the Communists. Your proposed nation-building through "mixing" and forced "mating" is not the way to go. . .less by Republican on March 16 2011, 19:14 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

and lastly Most boers are almost Spanish by now. The difference here in South Africa is that the culture are being kept alive. The culture will only stop to exist when the people lose the will to keep the culture alive. To use a few 100 Boere in Argentina and use it . .more as a barometer reflecting 3 000 000 Afrikaners in South Africa is very funny point indeed. Besides, do you speak Zulu?. Let the great reconstruction begin :) . .less by Republican on March 16 2011, 19:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

What is an African? Does anybody really know what an “African” is? Are they only the Negroid Bantu tribal people, as the local Africanists try to force down our throats, so to perhaps better loot the place? What about the true Sub-Saharan "Natives", the Koi-San, the . .more Hadza and Sandawe, as well the forest Pigmies? DNA says that indeed they are. Are the African-Semitic people from North Africa, Africans? Even if some of them are blond and blue eyed, with Zedide Zidane being a good example? In reality Africa is the Roman name for the area around what's now Tunisia and the dark people that they come in contact with were understood by them to have come from Nubia. If that's the case, local Bantus should stop calling themselves "African" and instead accept to be labelled "Nubian", or for that matter, by any other name that they would be comfortable or managed to agree with among themselves. . .less by Injala Apera on March 17 2011, 10:06 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

AFRIKAN! The whole article is a joke.@Injala Apera, Afrikan is person who had been libelled by other races (europeans and arabs) as K*****,savage or heathen. We are sick and tired of pseudo scholars, who claim to know our past history, yet they know nothing. Just . .more forget about us as Afrikans, rather focus on your race, we do not want bogus intellectual to further distort our history, sorry big time. . .less by Inkunz'mnyama on March 17 2011, 16:04 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Afrikan! defined for pseudo scholar of note,Injala Apera We do not owe any definition or explantation as to who we are as Afrikans as much as other races do not owe us any explanation as to how they define themselves, either be they europeans,asians etc. Your colonial mindset is P*******, it is still reflective . .more of divide and rule attitude of colonial settlers. I repeat to you propaganda fed, pseudo scholar, people of African origin, are All Afrikans, irrespective of their ethnicity.Please, listen to Fela Kuti's song and I will corrupt the track title purposefully "bogus" teacher, do not teach us nonsense. Our history, is not there for any tom,D*** and harry, to claim to be an expert on it with their skew,misinformed,nonsensical information, thus claiming to be knowledgeable.I hate to say it, however one must be a man about it, any man worth his salt can not claim to know the history of other race, more the than that race itself. . .less by Inkunz'emnyama on March 17 2011, 16:18 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Africa Race is a made up concept; like so much about the classification exercises that humans engage in, it serves only to explain itself. The name Africa does not come from Africa. Now what? Does this mean that one can infer something from this? Did . .more any of you have an emotional response to the idea that the word Africa does not have an origin in an African language? . .less by Mooper on March 18 2011, 23:16 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Race The OPPRESORS use race classification to benefit the majority Blacks and to discriminate against the minority Whites. It is the same now as it was in the days of the Transkei, Ciskei and other homelands. when Whites who lived in these areas had no vote . .more in their daily affairs . They were seriously disadvantaged and were denied contracts and jobs in these administrations because these were reserved for Blacks only. Whites in these areas suffered also as Blacks did in the larger urban areas. But now it is a worse situation than under Apartheid because , by force of numbers, the Blacks have swallowed up everything and there is no room for needy Whites in government sponsored programs like AA and Economic Empowerment . Racial discrimination is an unmitigated evil and a crime against humanity. Those who perpetuate it will be called the children of Satan. . .less by Beaver on March 21 2011, 18:05 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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Human race There is only one race and that is the HUMAN RACE. In Suid Afrika they say: Finish en Klaar. by Drs Sears Appalsamy: Nederland on April 15 2011, 15:18 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Swart Swanepoel After unsuccessfully trying to smuggle himself into the history books by claiming he authored the Freedom Charter, suddenly Swanepoel is a swart gevaar? Swanepoel could be right because there are no pure white people in South Africa. The only thing he . .more does not say is that his forefathers raped African women. That's why there's an oversupply of coloureds in the Western Cape because that's where Swanepoels settled when they invaded the black man's land. Again on this one Swart Swanepoel, you will not succeed to get preferential procurement from government tenders. Fact is Africa is for Africans. That Swanepoel is a product of rape is his own forefathers' problems. If Swanepoel claims all whites were black before they became white, why did he not tell Hendrik Verwoed, Groot Krokodile and de Klerk? This Swanepoel character thinks that we are fools. He even admits himself that the ploy is to smuggle whites to start benefiting from BEE. Try another one - Jacob Zuma is too light in completion to be of African origin. Ka ka ka ka ka Swanemampara! . .less by Guluva on April 15 2011, 23:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Tarred and feathered In response to Green Room it was Professor Floors van Jaarsveld who said that Afrikaaners had black blood in them. His tarring and feathering resulted in bringing Eugene Terblanche into the political arena, and he subsequently had his name changed to . .more Terre Blanche meaning 'white earth' . .less by Anthony Caenazzo on April 17 2011, 15:41 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Sex, drugs, and boeremusiek till I drop! Boers is K****** too??? The person who came up with this K** is a portugese sea K*****. by Arthur Kemp on April 17 2011, 17:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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