We don't want Zuma's support - Malema

JOHANNESBURG (Sapa) - The ANCYL does not want President Jacob Zuma's support in its bid for nationalisation, it wants the support of the masses, its leader Julius Malema said on Thursday.

"We don't care who says what. Nationalisation will become the policy of the ANC," he said during a memorial lecture at Johannesburg's Wits University, commemorating former president Nelson Mandela's release from prison 20 years ago.

"We don't want Zuma's or [Deputy Police Minister Fikile] Mbalula's support... we want the support of the masses. If the masses say you are correct, we will march on," Malema said.

On Tuesday, during debate on his state-of-the-nation address in Parliament, Zuma told opposition parties nationalisation of mines was not government policy.

Malema however was determined to influence ANC branches to make nationalisation party policy, which would then filter into the government.

He was addressing a packed hall where he was received with thunderous applause and enthusiastic song and dance. Ahead of Malema's address, his audience watched a video clip of an interview with Nelson Mandela, filmed shortly after his release from prison.

In the interview, Mandela said nationalisation was part of the country's history and he did not understand how privatisation was being justified. It would benefit only those with the resources to buy into those industries, he said. Mandela said whites decided the only way to control the country's blacks was to privatise.

In his speech, Malema described the current ANC leadership as "sweethearts".

"Today they want to tell us they are the best thinkers and they can interpret the freedom charter better than Nelson Mandela."

He said the struggle for today's youth was for "economic emancipation", to "take command of the economy from the hands of white males".

"We must say here today, following the clip we played, in our lifetime we demand economic freedom."

He again attacked former president FW De Klerk.

"We must never compare De Klerk to Nelson Mandela. De Klerk must be compared with [IFP leader] Mangosuthu Buthelezi, they served the same master."

He extended his venom to Buthelezi and related how the IFP was funded by security forces. While the party leader was "forgiven", his deeds were "not forgotten".

Joining Malema on stage was ANC NEC member Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, who remarked that Malema was "clever" to use archival information to back up his bid to nationalise mines.

"You are very clever my grandson Julius... you went to collect archival matter on nationalisation of the mines. I wonder where you got it."

Madikizela-Mandela responded to newspaper reports on her absence at Victor Verster prison in Cape Town last week to commemorate her ex-husband's release.

"My family and I were not invited."

Earlier, Malema described Madikizela-Mandela as "populist", praising her contribution to the struggle at length.

"You can call her what you want, if she is a populist, we will support a populist," he said.

She responded by saying that if a populist was someone who "exploited" the ignorant to "hold on to power" and sustain a "luxury lifestyle and what we now call bling", she was not one.

"I seek none of that."

Madikizela-Mandela said it was important to remember all the facets of Mandela and the leader he was.

"It is not enough to celebrate and quote him, we must walk in his shoes and complete the long walk."

She referred to Mandela's statement while in the dock during the Rivonia treason trial. He did not say he would die for an individual, but rather for an ideal.

During a youth rally ahead of Zuma's appointment as president and before corruption charges against him were withdrawn, Malema said the league was "prepared to die for Zuma".

Madikizela-Mandela expressed regret about the persistent inequalities in South Africa, saying large sectors of society still lacked the resources to live dignified lives.

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[Malema] said the struggle for today's youth was for 'economic emancipation', to 'take command of the economy from the hands of white males'."

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what a ... tonsil. by i am supreme on February 18 2010, 21:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Very, very dangerous idiot "take command of the economy from the hands of white males". No building, no learning, no skills development, no entepeneurship ....... just take what other people have built. Great concept Julius, see what it has caused in Zimbabwe. Scary that . .more this populist fool has support - did we not learn from Hitler, Idi Amin and others? . .less by Realist on February 18 2010, 22:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The madness continues "a populist was someone who "exploited" the ignorant to "hold on to power" and sustain a "luxury lifestyle and what we now call bling" ... sounds like an exact description of her "clever grandson". By the way, have I missed something along the . .more way ... grandson ? Who are Malema's parents again ... not one of Winnie's kids surely ... Anyone else seeing a pattern here - the ANC left supported a pliable jovial buffoon to engineer the removal of Mbeki - Winnie is supporting a pliable ignorant loud mouth to maintain her access to power now that she has no more access via Nelson ... so much stupidity and ignorance in one party ... it is really scary that people still think it is a good idea to vote for these clowns ... . .less by Sad Days on February 18 2010, 23:07 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Malema millions Working the "masses" for your own benefit, Jul finds this far more profitable than being a carpenters assistant. And yes he is dangerous. http://www.themercury.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=2873&fDate=2010-02-19&fEdition=2 by Wendy on February 19 2010, 06:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

??? God help us all by Plutarch on February 19 2010, 06:58 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Take Command ''Take command of the economy from white males'' Do it now Julius, so that you can f.ck it up like ZIM. by Baily on February 19 2010, 08:05 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Famous last words This clown is completely out of his depth and the Dr. Frankensteins at Luthili House are certainly choking on their cereal this morning. After all, it was them that created the monstrosity and presented it to the country as their succession . .more plan. Male Enema is certainly is full monkey mode. In the wild, when a baboon has had it's fill, it turns around and poops on the food source not realising that it will be hungry again in a few hours. Male Enema was picked from obscurity and given a microphone, money, food, wine and expensive clothes. Now, he's turned around and bitten the oligarchs that created him. Make no mistake, political parties are like the mafia and as Male Enema fattens himself, he forgets that the butchers are sharpening their knives. The slaughterhouse is just around the corner. It is only a matter of time. BTW, what is it about Winnie and young boys? This sugar mummy needs to stop miselading young men and hang out with men in her age group. . .less by Eddy on February 19 2010, 08:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Fanous last words This clown is completely out of his depth and the Dr. Frankensteins at Luthili House are certainly choking on their cereal this morning. After all, it was them that created the monstrosity and presented it to the country as their succession . .more plan. Male Enema is certainly is full monkey mode. In the wild, when a baboon has had it's fill, it turns around and poops on the food source not realising that it will be hungry again in a few hours. Male Enema was picked from obscurity and given a microphone, money, food, wine and expensive clothes. Now, he's turned around and bitten the oligarchs that created him. Make no mistake, political parties are like the mafia and as Male Enema fattens himself, he forgets that the butchers are sharpening their knives. The slaughterhouse is just around the corner. It is only a matter of time. BTW, what is it about Winnie and young boys? This sugar mummy needs to stop miselading young men and hang out with men in her age group. . .less by Eddy on February 19 2010, 08:24 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Oddly enough.... ...Mandela did not support nationalisation either! by Abacus on February 19 2010, 08:57 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Malema is a visionary. He realizes SA's economy will be eventually be destroyed like Zimbabwe, and the mines will be one of the last remaining assets to be distributed. by HJ on February 19 2010, 09:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Mama Winnies Grandson and The mines It is rathe interesting to note that Zondwa Mandela (Grandson) with a Zuma nephew are buying worthless gold asserts that can be very handy when compensation is paid when nationalisation takes place. Seems Malema ans Winnie had some assistance in searching . .more the archives from one Zondwa Mandela. Wonder how you pay R500000pm for bonds ands cars if you only earn R20000 See http://letterdash.com/g.annandale/malema-mining-for-gold http://letterdash.com/g.annandale/friday-missives . .less by Geanann on February 19 2010, 09:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Malema The chap tells it like it is. While Males have economic power that is why they are so arrogant. They pass on the power to their sons ( e.g Alan Craig-Knot) like passing the baton in a relay race. Let us Nationalise the Mines and distribute wealth . .more accordingly. There is nothing that says SA will be llike ZIim. This is a fear strategy that is used to scare Whites like in the 60' - 80's where Swart gevaar was used to oppress Africans. Nationalise now. . .less by Pops on February 19 2010, 09:27 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Winnie and Julius Winnie wondering how Julius gleaned so much from the archives? Perhaps he had help from Zodwa Mandella (grandson) who owns a whole lot of worthless gold mines and will appreciate compensation if the state nationalise his . .more mines. See http://letterdash.com/g.annandale/malema-mining-for-gold . .less by Geanann on February 19 2010, 09:56 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Julius always talks about representing the masses How many of the masses drive around in R1,2m cars and have R250k watches? P******* how someone with such a low I* is allowed to stir up so much of hatred and violence. by Julius Milllionema on February 19 2010, 09:57 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The lunatics are running th asylum Choke on that Messrs Zuma, Motlante and Manthashe. by Jabu on February 19 2010, 10:03 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

So the Matric Mampara was giving a lecture @ University! We have reached the lowest of the low; ANC ke masepa (is kaak)!!! by Mute Fool on February 19 2010, 10:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

A formal request to SARS Please audit Mr Malema. The Finance minister called on all South Africans to report those who appear to live far better than their earnings. It may be that Malema won the lottery or inherited a fortune from his daddy but the chances are slim. The man . .more appears to live far above his station -if you audit him we will know for sure. If he and his sidekick Floyd have nothing to hide then they will embrace the audit process. If they protest too much dig deeper. . .less by Law abiding South African on February 19 2010, 11:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Who is funding this fool and what is in it for them? Geanann has a valid point, it has been claimed that a number of the mining BEE types have bought into unprofitable mines...or messed up the operations. They want out and are after compensation. Someone is funding this fool and the sort of money being . .more thrown at him will require some return. The really scary thing is the mindless mob who support him. . .less by Wendy on February 19 2010, 12:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

To Mr Clever Malema... Hey Julius, while you so clever digging up archive material, go do this sum: SA GDP for 2008 (on top of mining boom) was R2.2 Trilliion. Mining was 6% of GDP then leaving you with R132billion to distribute to the so-called masses. Excluding the whites, . .more you have to devided the R132billion between 40million. Eish, giving everyone R3,300 a year. Yes, that's right! R3,300 a year! You're so clever aren't you. You know the masses can't do the sums. The masses will get you the support and then only you and your cronies will share in the billions. You are really a genius!! . .less by Steve on February 19 2010, 12:52 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

the freedom charter ....is 60 years old....talk about living in the past....in 100 years time will this freedom charter still be the basis of everything???? by onlooker on February 19 2010, 13:52 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Support Well, you definitely DON'T have my vote. by Apathy on February 19 2010, 14:18 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

inkwenkwe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Malema#Education by Me too on February 19 2010, 14:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Nationalise Mr JM may sound not nice, but reality is we have to nationalise mines for more citizens to benefit than what is going on currently. Mistakes may be made as being made everywhere, but the citizens of the country deserve richness from the natural . .more resources. It's no longer a question of who has money?, It's a question of how many people can benefit. I remember when Bob Marley came to JHB to perform, and the stadium was empty, and most blacks were standing outside and could not afford getting in. He simply said; "Open those gates and let people get in, I am not here to perform for the rich but for all Africans" . I believe wealth for the mines must not only benefit the rich, but must benefits all Africans. Now stop being arrogant, selfish, defensive, discriminative, just allow us to be as advantaged as you have been made by previous govt that enriched you in EVERYTHING and in MANY WAYS. . .less by Disadvantaged on February 19 2010, 16:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The Freedon Charter Until such time as the Freedom Charter can be proved as a panacea for economic development it renains an essay by socialst thinking politicians. Nelson Mandela is not the last word on economics development, never has been and never will be, and is . .more not in the league of Adam Smith who wrote the Wealth of Nations some 200 years ago. . .less by Mike on February 19 2010, 16:49 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Economic Freedom I think what malema is raising is a genuine struggle for the current generation of blacks - economic emancipation. Any reasonable Seffefirican understands that the status qou (gross wealth inequality) is nothing more than a time bomb. I urge . .more the moneyweb community to contribute to the debate of nationalisation - constructively or Dismiss Julius as a bafoon at your own peril. We cannot let the fear on the minorty get in the way of the economic freedom of the masses. Nelson Mandela said something similiar regarding political freedom. . .less by ML on February 19 2010, 16:53 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Pops and @Disadvantaged You guys obviously don't know how modern business and modern economies function. The wealth under the soil which the Freedom Charter speaks of belongs to the people, and IS being distributed to the people through the Government collecting . .more royalties and taxes from the mining, and spending it on behalf of the people. If the mines are nationalised and kept intact, Government will have to pay the current shareholders for their assets; shareholder profits will then go to the Government, and the mines will be run by Government- appointed people (like Jacob Maroga for example), probably as inefficiently as they run Eskom, SAA, Denel, Land Bank etc., and mining output and profitability will drop. The question of where the Government will get the money from to pay for the mining assets, or to buy its own, will be a major stumbling block. Bottom line is there may be tax savings in the long run for the people from nationalisation, but certainly NO MONTHLY CASH into the people's pockets. The cost of acquiring the assets, and the potential for loss through mismanagement make the exercise unattractive and impractical. . .less by mpho on February 19 2010, 17:03 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Nationalisation of the mines The idea is outdated and barmy (i.e. insane). Even if the Government steals the mining assets and does not pay for them, infighting between the cadres, theft, corruption, and mismanagement will lead to a mining sector which will deliver far less to the . .more people than it is doing now. Nationalisation of the mines will be a disaster which will only benefit the politically connected elite, which is why already-stinking-rich Julius and his pals are fighting so hard for it. Bottom line too is that THE PEOPLE WILL BE THE LOSERS! . .less by mpho on February 19 2010, 17:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Nationalisation Intelligent people do not debate Malema on nationalisation because the debate was ended a long time ago. Nationalisation was miserable failure in countries who were far better equipped than SA to run a nationalised industry. Therefore, nothing left to . .more debate. . .less by Jeff on February 19 2010, 19:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Julius at varsity Relying on the Freedom Charter as an economic document is totally ridiculous. The economic ideas in that lot of hot air are totally out of date. The world has moved on. SA has been left behind. However Julius is only now waking up to the world of sixty . .more years ago. What is really frightening is not so much that this guy can speak at a university, but the fact that the dimwit "students" seem to agree with his C***. . .less by Jeff on February 19 2010, 19:37 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

walk the line walk a very fine line he is .... better have eyes behind his head by Walking on thin ice on February 19 2010, 20:41 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Jeff It's not intelligent people who are Malema's only audience; it's also the ill-informed and the poor to whom nationalisation sounds like a plausibly good idea, see e.g. Pops' and Disadvantaged's responses above. I'd bet the majority of people . .more listening to Malema will, at first blush, believe what he is saying about nationalisation being a fair means of "distributing the wealth". They will continue to believe this if the truth is not pointed out to them, viz. that in fact nationalisation is a rotten choice which will benefit neither the masses nor the poor. The more people who know the truth the better. . .less by mpho on February 19 2010, 21:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Education It is now cristal clear that ML is not only illeterate, unwanted negative ignorance has affected him. He just want us to support in whatever he is saying even though this will lead us to nowhere, infact we will suffer the concequences of blutantly . .more nationalising mines. . .less by Norllen on February 20 2010, 12:36 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Soon they will burn off their own fingers Now they have the matches of freedom we can only wait and watch as they set fire to themselves and the house they live in. Its the creative use of freedom as seen across Africa. Find freedom then set yourself on fire. by Nationless on February 20 2010, 14:43 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Now for some speculation, Wendy.... Wendy, Malema and the ANCYL (and the ANC for that matter) have been funded by South African Big Business. Let me elaborate a little bit here: The whole agreement between De Klerk and the ANC at Kodesa was a side-show to the real . .more negotiations which took place between large SAcan mining houses and the ANC. The quid pro quo was follows: The ANC men will be made rich, very rich, and in return, SAcan business will be allowed to keep some of what they have, and take other stuff out to safety in London. In this way SA Big Business bought their own wealth and peace. Many have extracted themselves to the safety of the mother country, thatwas made so wealthy in the 1880-1950 period by SAcan gold. There are persistent rumours that SAcan mining interests gave huge sums of money to the ANC and ANCYL men, of it in BEE deals. One can speculate that this is where Malema's wealth came from. Nothing sinister or illegall. The irony in the nationalisation debate is that the ANCYL are now targeting their enablers in the mines. Eventually the mines will be nationalised, as will big business be. But by that time the former owners will be far away, wealthy, having bought their way out. The books about this must still be written, and much else will remain speculation, forever. (We could spin more conspiracy theories over a cup of tea... . .less by JVR on February 20 2010, 17:50 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Good old JVR! It's so easy to invent conspiracy theories post hoc to follow (illogically!) on the apologist bleat that FW had no choice in settling for such a bum deal, rather than the scared-shitless Nats having saved their own skins at the expense of an honourable, . .more watertight, non-racial democratic settlement; at least JVR acknowledges the conspiracy theory bit in his last sentence. Malema was about 10 years old in 1994, a tad young to be involved in a conspiracy theory? And few of the ANCYL presidents post 1994 have amounted to much. But of course, conspiracy theories don't need to be logical, only scandalous. . .less by mpho on February 20 2010, 22:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

More tenderpreneurship? The costs in running the mines will ruin the government. Currently they get tax and royalties, and the mining companies take all the risks. Maybe someone hopes to get more tenders from the nationalised mines to feed his expensive appetites? by mn on February 21 2010, 02:46 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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