Abusive press meets Zuma on arrival in UK

JOHANNESBURG (Sapa) - President Jacob Zuma's recent controversies have followed him to the UK with scene setters on his state visit revisiting his polygamy and his court travails.

"His country's first openly-polygamous President, Mr Zuma will be received with the usual pomp by the Queen and Prime Minister Gordon Brown during a three-day visit likely to be dominated by interest in his personal life and the continuing crisis in Zimbabwe," wrote the Independent's online edition.

Describing him as "exuberant" with a "colourful CV", and "shrewd", the Guardian online leapt straight into his battle with rape and corruption charges, his rejection of calls by the ANC Youth League for nationalisation, and moved swiftly on to which wife he had chosen to accompany him -- Thobeka Madiba -- for the visit which includes a meeting with Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Queen Elizabeth II.

The Independent wrote that the "distinctly monogamous" monarch was unlikely to be fazed by the visit "given the range of distinctly ropey state visitors she has greeted during her 58 years on the throne".

"The Queen is long past being shocked by the expedient dictates of foreign policy and commercial interests."

The rightwing Daily Mail chose to headline their article: "Jacob Zuma is a sex-obsessed bigot with four wives and 35 children. So why is Britain fawning over this vile buffoon?"

With a picture of Zuma in traditional attire at his wedding to Madiba, it wrote that he had paid "a sort of tribal deposit on a future bride" to the families of at least two more potential wives.

They also claim to have been told of twins he had with a Ukrainian woman.

The article speculated on what the guests would have to talk about with Zuma, "protocol nightmare" and the small talk around the canape table.

His song "Bring me my machine gun" got a mention, and they wrote: "And for that matter, would Harriet Harman [Labour MP], assiduously promoting her equality agenda as the (UK) General Election nears, wish to discuss gender issues with a man who, when charged with rape in 2005, protested in court that the alleged victim was wearing an extremely short skirt."

Not stopping there, the Mail said it was "becoming ever more evident that South Africa is being turned into an organised kleptocracy".

"With timing that seems suspiciously fortunate given the looming state visit, the government this month announced a deal with British Aerospace to end investigations into whether bribes were paid in several recent contracts."

Last year Zuma won a damages claim against the UK Guardian for writing that he was guilty of rape, corruption and bribery when in fact he was acquitted of rape and the other charges were abandoned.

South African cartoonist Zapiro, for The Times locally, drew him and the queen in a carriage with her crown and his showerhead silhouetted. The queen emitted an "eek" from the carriage and her footman quipped: "They warned us about this chap".

The Daily Mirror called him a "former goatherder" who "defends his rights to several Mrs Zumas" and the Financial Times wrote: "It will no doubt prove tempting for some British commentators to depict Jacob Zuma's state visit to the UK this week as a comic opera," then moving on to the sensible stuff of politics and economics and Zuma's entry on to the international stage.

"When he came to London just over two years ago, at the height of his battle for the ANC leadership, only a few bankers would see him. He roamed central London one evening all but barred even from the South African high commission in Trafalgar Square.

"Now he returns as the most powerful man in sub-Saharan Africa to all the pomp that Britain can offer.

"After a year's honeymoon, however, western investors are starting to fret. They want him to go beyond equivocating and mollifying the feuding powerbrokers of his rowdy alliance."

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Telling the truth is not abusive.. Is Jacob Zuma sex obsessed???? Personally I think telling someone the truth about what you think about them is the highest form of respect, Lying to someone and crawling up their A** with fake two faced gatkruiping is the most . .more abusive behaviour for any relationship I have ever heard! . .less by Piet Pompies on March 03 2010, 03:10 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Kleptocracy Not stopping there, the Mail said it was "becoming ever more evident that South Africa is being turned into an organised kleptocracy". Would be nice if the Queen could return our gold, our diamonds and the money her subjects stole in the respective arms . .more deals? . .less by Carl Wille on March 03 2010, 03:26 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Fair comment Piet Pompies and Carl Willie you make fair points, yet our JZ is hardly a president to fill one with a sense of glowing pride, is he? Frankly, I am very tired of finding Zuma and Malema an embarrassment. by Bunny Jones on March 03 2010, 07:18 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

ZUMA IS A DISGRACE The article is true: Compare mr Zumas dignity to Mr Mandela, Mr Sisulu, Mr Tambo ! The UK press did not deride them and label them "sex obsessed bigots" South Africans(mainly Black South Africans) need to look in the mirror and question what . .more they have endorsed at the election ballot. In 2050 the Zuma era will be seen by a new generation as more shameful than the 1948-1990 era! . .less by SAM on March 03 2010, 07:23 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Carl Wille Got to agree with you mate. Very little mention of the British scum that offered the shiny beads in the first place and bent Zuma, Mandela, Mbeki, Yengeni, and made them steal all the money and buy arms ,that should have been earmarked for Escom. Funny . .more how BAE gets let off the hook with barely a mention. But you know Britain is such a thriving country with its economy booming that it must know best! . .less by Senhor on March 03 2010, 07:24 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

zuma this is africa and why must the queen return the diamonds how much did the gave back to africa and the are still giving think about that, stop the corruption by ivan on March 03 2010, 08:04 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Spend the effort where required Is it worth spending the time and effort to comment on such non-entities as Zuma and Malema, who are dragging this country's name through the mud? Can we not rather spend the time and be positive about statesmen like Mandela, Sexwale, Ramaphosa, Phosa, . .more Zille and Mulder. Who are the English anyway to comment with a future king like bonking cheating Charles. . .less by Spukupuk on March 03 2010, 08:13 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

State visit or 'comic opera'? Once more, we are made to look like proper fools. Thank you Mr President for the highly dignified and respected way in which the world out there views you and your honourable government. We appreciate all your efforts to lead our wonderful country by the . .more finest example, and your tireless strivings to fight all forms of graft, corruption and other sleazy characters who want to defraud the loyal tax-paying citizenry. The way in which you and your administration are keeping the hot-headed youths in check and in their places, is truly noble - to say the least. Thank you for making everyone in this great country feel safe and secure on the streets and in their homes. Thank you for making EVERYONE feel there is a future for them in South Africa. Thank you that we can rest assured that we are not also going to backslide into darkest Africa. Thank you that you are going to stop the discrimination and racism of 'Affirmative Action' and 'Black Economic Empowerment '. Thank you that we can be secure in the knowledge that the grafters and corrupt officialdom are going to meet with the full might of the law, and that anyone who is suspected of having sticky fingers, will be SUSPENDED WITHOUT BENEFITS AND PAY - and that their pay and benefits only be restored once proven innocent beyond any doubt. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.... . .less by Nkunzi on March 03 2010, 08:37 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Dont Judge Just Yet he is, in essence a product of the Aparthied regime's marginilzation. what would we expect of a man who has only a sub standard education. well. quite a lot, given that he is the President... and is he competent? i would have to say Yes!! there are many . .more educated fools. just look at Britain. he's far from what the white man, whose perfect world has been turned upside down, expects as a leader. his culture is different, but not necessarily less than. He dont fit the profile of western head of state... because he aint one. his is a Zulu boy from KwaZulu Natal and that in itself is beautiful. he wasnt ensconsed in swaddling clothes with a privileged education as a young man. he was an abused person, marginalized and effed over watching his mother being dehumanised as the "Maid". we need to bear this in mind when we judge him. he may just have a genuine heart for the people on the ground and i think we need to give him time before we pass sentence. he doesnt to appear to hold a bitter resentment for the white minority in SA. In fact, it appears to be quite the opposite. what he does need to do though is severely penalize those in his govt who steal money intended to uplift the poor. he may or many not have been complicit in the Arms Deal, but we need to look at the whole transformation in context. . .less by mhlanganyelwa on March 03 2010, 08:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Time to sell the country What is Zuma going to sell now to the crooked Britons. Listen to them almost self-flagellate with excitement. Given their history of colonialism, the british are just as morally corrupt as Jacob Zuma. They are the last species to start pointing fingers at . .more Zuma, they are the same lot, of unethical and morally corrupt to the bone sort of human like creatures! As for Zuma, this is the sad fate of the rest of us who did not elect this 'vile' (not my word but rather effective, I admit) man. In lieu of discussing the standing of the nation, you have instead this man whom men are hiding their wives from, whom people are laughing right behind his back, and is the equivalent of the mother of all international butt jokes. This is our president, we should be ashamed of ourselves. The most advanced country on the African continent!? Let me just advise you all, don't take yourselves so seriously. There are poor countries in Africa that have more courage and respectable presidents in one pinkie than Zuma will have in his entire body, let alone even if he was reincarnated a thousand times. All of you who elected this man as our president ought to be ashamed of yourselves. But knowing your kind, you have no conscience, just like the british, you are probably congratulating yourselves and asking 'what is the fuss about? Traveling SA JZ Circus . .less by Potso on March 03 2010, 08:46 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Mr Zuma will be received with the usual pomp Tell me it ain't so Joe by ono on March 03 2010, 08:59 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

oh boy!! its amazing how we judge. most made serious errors in worshipping Tiger Woods. he was the perfect gentleman, well groomed, said all the right things, so those in century old leather chairs in members only areas, wouldnt squeeze their bum cheeks with post . .more colonial discomfort. Bill Clinton had his Cohiba blown like a budgie in a wind tunnel. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Sarkozy is, what?? different!!! perhaps not. Ahem!!! Carla Browneye. oh boy!! Jagger et al in the warm up list. Never mind all the other " great leaders". if we dig just a little, oh what we will find. so, why all the judgement on a once marginalized Zulu boy who has engineered himself into the power seat. im not suggesting we turn a blind eye to his shananagans, but we do need to look at the so called "comic opera" in context. and what about Prince Phillip. hoo hoo. dont go there. and never mind is son. oh!! and his son's son. all serial offenders!! like all of us. . .less by mhlanganyelwa on March 03 2010, 09:00 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Now he returns as the most powerful man in sub-Saharan Africa to all the pomp that Britain can offer... And again by ono on March 03 2010, 09:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

So why is Britain fawning over this vile buffoon?" Why indeed?? Just good manners I suppose. by Tokkie on March 03 2010, 09:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Strange? Britain lets Zuma in but not Mugaybe And yet both are former terrorists, African Nationalists and destroyers of countries. What is Zoom Zoom doing inthe UK in the first place? Are his advisors and himself so thick skinned that they don't know that they are most unwelcome in the UK? by Collins on March 03 2010, 09:40 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

"distinctly monogamous" monarch My left nut. Charles is a polygamous, as were many others in the Royal family over time. Maybe not always openly so, but polygamous they were/are. by GL on March 03 2010, 09:45 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Mhlanganyelwa you are a joke Many BLACK leaders are uneducated. That does not make them a spectacle to be mocked and humiliated globally like MR Zuma is! Do you think that Albert Luthuli( who won the Nobel peace prize in an era of colonialism )was viewed internationally . .more as a "sex obsessed bigot" Mr Zuma is everything that the new ANC stands for and additionally and ultimately ineffective and incompetent . .less by SAM on March 03 2010, 09:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

zuma JESS, WHO ELCTED ZUME NOT THE PEOPLE REMEMBER THE PARTY PUT HIM THERE SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AND I DID NOT OR VOTE FOR HIM OR THE PARTY SO GET YOUR FACTS IN ORDER AND HOW MUCH MORE MUST THE BRITISH GOV. GIVE . .more BACK TO AFRICA WITCH THE ANC GOV. STEEK AGAIN . .less by ivan on March 03 2010, 09:57 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

So predictable The anti-Zuma brigade is just so predictable. This includes local audience (mainly whitties) and European sceptists (mainly white again) who didn't like Zuma right from the beginning. Ja truth hurts! Just get used to the fact that Zuma is our President, . .more has his culture, race, personality and has his own faults just like Gordon Brown, Sarkozy, Obama, Berlusconni, and Queen Elizabeth herself. The brigade can either live with that fact or leave mother land. . .less by Nathi Mdletshe on March 03 2010, 10:06 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Aaah. Justice at last Wasn't the UK the biggest supporter of anti South Africa actions and sanctions. Wasn't the UK the biggest supporter of the terrorist action against a sovereign SA state. Wasn't Mandela and his consorts the UK's biggest heros. Didn't the UK alongside the . .more Communist bloc bankroll the ANC. Well ultimately the UK has got what it wanted all along. An ANC Government in SA. (and the wanton destruction of a nation). And now they have Zuma the epitomy of what their beloved ANC stands for in norms, morals and values. So why is the UK moaning. They've got what they wanted all along. Or isn't the product what they thought it was? . .less by Scales on March 03 2010, 10:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The Independent should have chosen their words more carefully in this context... "Mr Zuma will be received with the usual pomp by the Queen" by El Sid on March 03 2010, 10:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Perhaps the Independent should have chosen their words more carefully in this context... "Mr Zuma will be received with the usual pomp by the Queen" by El Sid on March 03 2010, 10:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Pomp and ceremony I hope he doesn't molest Queen Elizabeth in the carrriage.That would be unfortunate. by Nervous on March 03 2010, 10:59 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Sad Times for Britian, British Media and the Tabloids Finally being exposed for what is really is, narrow minded, condecending, superior, ignorant......racist....& unfortunatley most of the Poms are....so they really enjoy buying and reading that sort of trash. Takes their minds off the UKs position as it . .more moves off into the financial abyss. . .less by White Brit on March 03 2010, 11:21 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

POMP Hi El Cid- dont worry mate ,they were speaking English and you are thinking in Afrikaans by bright spark on March 03 2010, 11:26 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Will Tiger Woods be next to meet the Queen ? At Davos even old Bill the the blow job pres of the USA, was not sure if it was safe to shake the hand of JZ. As a fellow member of the P**** presidents how could he be sure? Where had the hand of JZ been? Can the Queen Of England be sure? . .more More to the point, who in South Africa can be sure where the hand of JZ has just been or where it is going. Does JZ himself even have the answer to these and other questions. . .less by Nationless on March 03 2010, 12:06 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Well done JZ for your authenticity True leadership is never earned when things are going well. This is your chance to prove that you can juggle too many balls at once. A true leader in deed. Some prefer to whinge, change nothing, affect nothing but sit on the sidelines and waste . .more their breath calling out your name. Its their choice. They do not understand that publicity will build you. Let them call you all the names in the world. At least you are true to yourself, to your culture, to your people. The whingers will run out of breath soon. They forgot that they use to call Mandela a terrorist. . .less by Jojo on March 03 2010, 12:07 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Any bets.... Whats the odds like for Zum-Zum shaging the queen??? Zulu-boy style!!! They take a shower after.... by Don on March 03 2010, 12:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

I kind of feel sorry for JZ! Zuma may not be everyone's cup of tea and I'm not a huge fan myself. But even so, the British tabloid media are going a little overboard here. Surprise surprise! We all know that African tribal customs and attitudes are very different to accepted Western . .more norms. It's arrogant and condecsending of the British media to attack and vilify the bloke for adhering to his Zulu traditions and beliefs. Their own (British) politicians are far, far from perfect. . .less by Roy DeMeo on March 03 2010, 12:52 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Diversion from the real issues What depresses me is how the UK (and SA) media miss the real points- the complete lack of service delivery by Zuma's govt. Forget his wives and affairs and all that other rubbish and focus on what the ANC are doing to their own people. Like jojo . .more ;-) Good to have you back... things were far too sensible around here for a bit. . .less by Jamo on March 03 2010, 13:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Has The world moved On? Over 100 years ago the British press vilified Paul Kruger. They produced cartoons and commentry that would make Zapiro green with envy. Commentry full of prejudice and bigotry. The British pess did this only because they knew it would strike a cord with a . .more largely misinformed and ignorant public. The idea predominantly being projected that anything from England is of higher grade morality or substance. Their primary goal however was to gain maximum leaverage from priming the public for their campaigns military and otherwise . As then and now they have a substantial wealth interest in South Africa. So its truly not about Zuma or Kruger it about the mineral weath under the feet of the people of South Africa. So what has changed in the UK in 100 years. Absolutely nothing. I think that is the problem with the UK. They are living in a time capsule well passed it's sell by date. Things change and the UK hasn't. . .less by John Island on March 03 2010, 14:21 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Carl Wille How do you get to the ludicrous conclusion that the Brits stole our money in the arms deal? The "stolen" money went to the bank accounts of the likes of Joe Modise, Thabo Mbeki, Chippy Shaik, Jacob Zuma, the ANC and all the other assorted . .more weasels and skunks that were bribed to award contracts to the beneficiaries. The Brits got paid for their overpriced goods: that's not stealing; unless, in your view, Eskom overcharging its clients to fund its capital expansion programme is also stealing. . .less by Oompah on March 03 2010, 14:59 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zum Zum Yes if Zuma was a CEO he would be on the dole by now as he just doesnt cut it in the big leagues. he has zero leadership qualities, is corrupt and will S*** anything that breathes.... What an embarrasment to South Africa but then again he is just a . .more reflection of the average beastie boy in the lovely land of ours. problem is they must just stop breading or we are all well and truelly screwed. . .less by Robbo on March 03 2010, 15:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

For British and SA true bigots who write on this site I expected this, but no matter what you say, for the next 4yrs Zuma will be your President. Why don't you hang yourselves if you don't like it. by Njabuliso on March 03 2010, 15:14 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@GL You obviously don't know what the word : monogamous means. Look it up in the dictionary and you will conclude that the current British monarch, Queen Elizabeth the Second is truly monogamous. The actions of others cannot change this fact. by Oompah on March 03 2010, 15:21 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Roy deMeo Are you a Zuku? Is it really Zulu culture to cheat on your wives and father as many illegitimate children as you can? Is it Zulu culture to have sex with your friends' children? Is corruption and bribery Zulu culture? Is stealing from your . .more Government Zulu culture? Are you trying to convince us you Zulus are a barbaric people? . .less by Oompah on March 03 2010, 15:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Who was or is more emabarrasing? Zuma or Verwoed? Difficult to decide. I do not know anyone who has anything but total disrespect and disdain for Zuma and feel that if that is the best black person the blacks can offer to run Sa then God help us all because it is already collapsing but will become a . .more civil war in my view. . .less by Reality. on March 03 2010, 16:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Pomp and ???? JZ will welcome this. ..........LOL by Lord ha ha on March 03 2010, 16:41 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

History will prove Verwoerd Right... Wait and watch history is patient.... and history will prove that Verwoerd was not only correct, but a visionary.. hundreds years ahead of his time and liberal addicted to political correctness instead of reality! .. that his policy of seperate . .more development... was the time when poor South African blacks had the best living standards in all of Africa, and did not have to worry about some other black tribe giving them a Mugabe or Hutu/Tutsi 'Hello'!!! All you need to do is wait and watch how blacks treat liberals.... soon as a liberal has been pistol whipped, tortured and gang raped as 'white bitch' booty.. then they come to their senses. Harsh way to come to your senses about Noble African reality..... but most liberals ain't interested in making an impartial enquiry into reality.. . .less by Piet Pompies.. on March 03 2010, 16:47 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zuma or Verwoed - Let's take a vote on this My vote goes for Zuma by Dennis on March 03 2010, 16:55 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Hope the British media is aware that their hero Mandela..... has NOT chastised the ANC and it's members for the lack of morality, cesspit norms and questionable values and the wanton destruction of the country. Does he endorse them? by Gutenberg on March 03 2010, 17:18 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ Njabuliso We might have to suffer 4 years of it , but you my fine fat feathered friend,will have to look in the mirror for the rest of your life! by S.A. bigot on March 03 2010, 17:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@Scales "Wasn't the UK the biggest supporter of anti South Africa actions and sanctions". Maggie Thatcher was hardly a supporter of the ANC, and certainly didn't agree with sanctions. by Jeff on March 03 2010, 19:29 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Rule Brittania The great thing about being British is that we are entitled to be contemptuous of lesser mortals like the Boere and Darkies. You Beore never had the wherewithal to colonise anywhere. You moved into almost empty areas and sat on the stoep while the blacks . .more did all the work for you. The Daily Mail was correct, you are a bunch of barbarians. . .less by Jeff on March 03 2010, 19:36 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Jeff And out of the fetid earth breaks the "God is an englishman"clone and roars! Jeffie-boy,the British Empire died a long time ago.Wake up! by jsb on March 03 2010, 21:40 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Jeff And out of the fetid earth breaks the "God is an englishman " clone and roars! Jeffie-boy, the British Empire died long ago. Wake up! by jsb on March 03 2010, 21:57 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zuma a disgrace Zuma and his current corrupt government is a disgrace to the world and an embarresment to South Africans. But then what cbetter can you exspect from african governments? They have proven they are incapable of having thriving economies due to the gressd . .more a,corruption and criminal activities of the Government officials. Every city in South Africa under ANC control have collapesed, no infrastructure exists and the poor is just getting poorer, but so is the middle classes. ANC Criminals are pardoned By Zuma and he has appointed just about every known corrupt crimninals in is government. how the Queen can lower herself to such a standrda is beyond me. . .less by Deon Joubert on March 03 2010, 23:07 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Sara bartman....... Is a bit crispy and makes everyone sneeze when they dust her off. Court Jesters are just not PC any more. They all wanted to see our prezzi do his machine gun dance and Charles wanted to know how to "get da groove on" wif da . .more wife. Camila aint exactly an afrodesiac A bit embarrassing when zuma tried to do the 3 way African handshake with everyone.....especially the gumboot slap thing at the end. Some of the SAS bodyguards nearly shot him as they though he was going for a weapon. . .less by Fred on March 04 2010, 09:38 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Highly concerned! Before anyone brings in the "race issue", let it be said that the concern is with intelligence versus idiocy, and both races have their share on both sides. The question that no-one seems to be asking is: what are educated, sensible and/or . .more intelligent people, regardless of race going to *do* about the mess that our country is in? So far, a few facts are known: 1) The majority of our country remains uneducated; 2) Our politicians, ruling party and government are corrupt and incompetent to varying degrees; 3) They will not properly educate the people; 4) Due to the above, those who wish to exploit can utilise the system to continue exploiting the popular (uneducated) vote forever, and change nothing. So, we also know that we cannot wait for ignorant people to suddenly wake up and sensibly utilise the system currently in place (elections) and vote for competent or smart government, nor can we rely on corrupt power-people to suddenly stop being corrupt and exploitative. Instead, we will all need to *do* something before our country is irreparably damaged, but the question is what, and how are we going to do it? The British media might be a bit tactless, but they are not too far off the mark: SA *is* heading one way, and the smart people don't seem to be searching for workable ways to combat the backward slide. . .less by RMB on March 04 2010, 11:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

A question "His country's first openly-polygamous President, Mr Zuma will be received with the usual pomp by the Queen and Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Is that Britain's usual pomp? Or Zuma's usual "pomp"? And isnt it an absoulte disgrace that . .more we can even make jokes and sarky comments like this? . .less by Alto on March 04 2010, 12:36 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ Senhor "Very little mention of the British scum that offered the shiny beads in the first place and bent Zuma, Mandela, Mbeki, Yengeni, and made them steal all the money and buy arms ,that should have been earmarked for Escom." I dont doubt that British . .more and other scum offered the shiny beads, but no one MADE them steal the money and buy arms. That was their own doing . .less by Alto on March 04 2010, 12:40 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

A Spukupuk "s it worth spending the time and effort to comment on such non-entities as Zuma and Malema, who are dragging this country's name through the mud? Can we not rather spend the time and be positive about statesmen like Mandela, Sexwale, Ramaphosa, Phosa, . . .more .more Zille and Mulder. Who are the English anyway to comment with a future king like bonking cheating Charles" Well yes it is worth the effort as it is OUR country and OUR country's name that is dragged through the mud. And dont you think the British press have given Charles an equally torrid time over his indiscretions? . .less by Alto on March 04 2010, 12:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ Ivan "JESS, WHO ELCTED ZUME NOT THE PEOPLE REMEMBER THE PARTY PUT HIM THERE SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT " Come on, don't be obtuse. The ANC as goverment, and Zuma as president were a package deal, given the ANC's policy of electing their party . .more president as country president. When the electorate voted for the ANC they were voting for BOTH. And if you did not vote ANC, it was because you had a problem with one or both parts of the package. . .less by Alto on March 04 2010, 12:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ Scales Well ultimately the UK has got what it wanted all along. An ANC Government in SA. (and the wanton destruction of a nation). And now they have Zuma the epitomy of what their beloved ANC stands for in norms, morals and values. So why is the UK moaning. . .more They've got what they wanted all along. Or isn't the product what they thought it was? I can't answer for the UK but I can answer as a South African liberal who supported the ANC being unbanned, the new consitutional democracy, and a bright future for our rainbow nation. And it started well, didn't it? But since then, hooooo boy! . .less by Alto on March 04 2010, 12:55 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ Dennis "Zuma or Verwoed - Let's take a vote on this My vote goes for Zuma" I struggled to cast my vote. Both are/were hugely dispicable by Alto on March 04 2010, 13:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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