The leadership that can save the ANC - Forces of Change

ANC 53RD NATIONAL CONFERENCE PERSPECTIVE - VOTE FOR CHANGE! VOTE FOR A QUALITY ANC! VOTE FOR AN ANC THAT HAS THE CONFIDENCE OF THE PEOPLE OF SOUTH AFRICA AND THE WORLD.

Welcome to the perspective that promotes change of leadership and policies in the ANC 53rd National Conference of the African National Conference. This perspective is unapologetically a platform to communicate and exchange information on the need for thorough going change in the ANC 53rd National Conference.

All members and supporters of the ANC who support the need for quality and durable change in the ANC 53rd National Conference are allowed to contribute on this perspective and will recurrently post messages and updates. This website is a necessary platform because forces of darkness and faceless sources always spread misleading messages about genuine leaders of the ANC who are an embodiment of the change that should happen in the ANC 53rd National Conference.

THE CHANGE ADVOCATED FOR HERE IS CHANGE THAT WILL RESULT IN THE FOLLOWING VITAL QUALITIES AND ATTRIBUTES:

1. ANC that will re-affirm the Freedom Charter as the strategic mission and vision.

2. ANC that will re-affirm the National Democratic Revolution as the route towards attainment of Freedom Charter objectives.

3. A non-racial, non-sexist, democratic, united and prosperous ANC and South Africa, which does not undermine the values of the Constitution.

4. A corrupt-free ANC, which fights against all forms of corruption and respects the rule of law

5. ANC that respects its members and leaders from all ethnic and language groups, not one over the rest.

6. ANC that makes sure that all its cadres in business are provided structured support, not support that is questionable.

7. A stable government and cabinet, which will restore the confidence of the people of South Africa in the Movement.

8. ANC that will always prioritise the interests and aspirations of workers, particularly mineworkers in the face of massive crackdown and dismissals by their employers and bosses.

9. ANC that will focus on real rural development of all rural areas in South Africa, not just few territories.

10. ANC that will respect the autonomy of the ANC Women's, Youth and Veterans Leagues and give them guidance on areas of disagreement.

11.ANC that will build real and genuine unity of the alliance based on the aspirations of the Freedom Charter and the NDR.

12. ANC that will regain the confidence of all Africans in the AFRICAN continent and Diaspora as a genuine leader of African renaissance.

13. ANC whose leaders are symbols of integrity and guided by proper morals in society that can inspire the confidence of the majority.

14. ANC that can win the hearts and minds of all South Africans, make them to cherish and value knowledge, education and expertise.

15. ANC that will respond to the needs of all South Africans and provide leadership whenever called upon to do so.

16. The ANC that will pursue the struggle for economic freedom in our lifetime in an unapologetic and clear fashion, emphasising in particular Nationalisation of Mines and land expropriation without compensation.

17. The ANC that will reflect generational-mix, meaning that new and younger tried and tested cadres of the ANC will be given space to lead the Movement.

The events and other political, social, and economic developments that have happened in the ANC and South Africa since the 52nd National Conference in 2007 clearly demonstrate that under President Jacob Zuma, the ANC has been unable to lead the Movement and society towards these qualities and attributes.

All reliable independent and dependent surveys about the confidence of South Africans on the leadership of President Zuma have shown that an absolute majority of South Africans do not have confidence in his leadership. This was illustrated by the fact that when he was face of the ANC campaign in 2009 general elections and 2011 local government elections, the ANC lost a significant number of votes in all provinces, except in KwaZulu Natal.

The Democratic Alliance ran an anti-Zuma elections campaign and were able to win elections decisively in the Western Cape, and reclaimed the City of Cape Town with a decisive majority whilst posing a real threat to the ANC in Port Elizabeth and Johannesburg. The DA is encroaching into the base of the ANC, and their access point is of course the weaknesses of local leadership, but also the fact that President Zuma does not inspire confidence and has no moral compass to guide the nation on good family values, on the fight against corruption and on many vital values that define and characterise South Africans.

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The change we advocate for in this platform should stop the DA's encroaching of the ANC base and it is known fact that with President Zuma, who has lost confidence of the people on the ground, the ANC will receive a reduced number of votes, election after election.

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THE LEADERSHIP THAT CAN SAVE THE ANC FROM THIS ANOMALY AND LEADERSHIP WHICH IS OPEN TO SCRUTINY AND LEADERSHIP THAT IS TRIED AND TESTED IN VALUES OF THE MOVEMENT IS THE FOLLOWING LEADERSHIP:

Collectively and individually, these leaders reflect the best collective of ANC leaders ever produced in the post democratic dispensation. They reflect collectively the following values:

• Quality, credibility and integrity amongst the people of SOUTH AFRICA, AFRICA AND THE WORLD.
• Understanding of core organisational values and principles.
• Generational mix.
• Thorough understanding of the business community.
• Thorough understanding of the international struggles and how the ANC should respond.
• Deeper understanding of gender and women's struggles.
• Deeper understanding and appreciation of the struggles of the youth.
• Appreciation and deeper understanding of the Military Veterans of the ANC.
• Thorough and deeper understanding of challenges facing the ANC in Provinces.
• Appreciation of the kind of society South Africa and the world has become.
• Innovation, creativity and forward thinking on new solutions for the future.
• Thorough and deeper understanding of the theory of the revolution and the vitality of the Freedom Charter in the struggle for total emancipation.
• Fair balance of militancy/radicalism versus moderation and pragmatism.
• Collective appreciation of political education as a tool to rebuild and renew the ANC.
• Non-corruptibility in their individual and private lives.
• Non-factionalist approach to ANC politics.
• Uniting and patient leaders who will bring everyone together.
• Not compromised individuals who will feel indebted to anyone.
• Ability to genuinely appeal to all spectrum of society.

These are the leaders who represent change promoted unapologetically in this platform, and a thorough look into these leaders' individual lives and political conduct will

indeed reveal the truthfulness of these values and qualities that they represent. Any individual who is honest to themselves and is not influenced by narrow ethnic, regional, and personal patronage prejudices will agree that the values used to define this leadership collective are a reflection of reality and totally true.

ABOUT US:

Sometimes the best way to describe who, what, and how you are is by describing who, what, and how you are not.

Below we describe what we are not as a basis of describing who we are:

• We are not a faction in the ANC, and are not an official structure of the ANC.
• We are not an anti-ANC grouping that seeks to undermine the proper organisational platforms of the ANC and its formations.
• We are not a funding mechanism in the ANC to provide resources to one group against the other.
• We are not a neutral body that does not hold opinions on who should lead the ANC post 53rd National Conference.
• We are a lobby group that seeks to provide useful and correct information about the reason why branches of the ANC call for change of leadership.
• We are a lobby group that seeks to provide correct information and publish what leadership of the ANC seeking change say whenever they are misrepresented in the mainstream media.
• We hold a view that the leadership of the ANC as is should be changed at the 53rd National Conference  and a new leadership with President Kgalema Motlanthe as President be given the elected mandate to lead the ANC forward.
• We believe that unity in the ANC can be achieved through election of leadership proposed in this perspective's opening statement.

Issued by the Forces of Change, November 7 2012

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The above. Kgalema is already deputy president - if he wanted to change things he could have done most of it by now. by Daniel Berti on November 07 2012, 18:39 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Not a name on the article claiming authorship. Cowards by . on November 07 2012, 19:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Change Leaders as endorsed by ANCYL and... the motley self-styled band known as "Economic Freedom Fighters".. Ask yourself...these are the same people who support Malema to rejoin the ANC?...is that the kind of change you want? what next nationalization? closely followed by . .more "privatization" once the nationalized company is capitalized by SA taxpayers...and it's right in front of you who the beneficiaries would be if they done that... Better they splinter off and form their own political party so the ANC can continue along their path of destiny...the sooner ANC, SACP and Cosatu splinter and fight elections on their own policies and agendas the better it will be for democracy in South Africa... . .less by . on November 07 2012, 19:10 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

by . on November 07 2012, 19:02 Fakester. by . on November 07 2012, 19:50 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

ha ha ha cheap propaganda All that has been said belong to the dustbin.Zuma will be re-elected as he is he is undisputed leader of the ANC by njenje on November 07 2012, 20:55 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The Band These people are confused. They say they are not a faction of nor a structure of the ANC. Why do they use the name of the ANC? The ANC has structures through which it makes changes. I dare their top six to come out now and declare their position vis-a-vis . .more these individuals. Cowards, who are you? I know only about the renegade Floyd Shivambu the tribalist. He is going to gaol the net is closing. This pretence of whatever they call themselves is meant to protect the skelms in it. We can see through you, you are very transparent. I hope the ANC is listing all of you so that you are dealt with after Mangaung undermining the structures of the ANC. . .less by Lerumo Mkhonto on November 07 2012, 20:56 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

*Sigh I see the Zuma worshippers are out in force. As far as I can tell, the proposed candidates are no better than Zuma. They're all vying for access to the same money pit that Zuma is currently raping for his own benefit. As far as I'm concerned, Zuma and . .more his cronies and 80% of the people on the proposed list belong in prison for their treason against SA. The ANC is an organisation of criminals and they should be treated as such. . .less by Miksa668 on November 07 2012, 21:23 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Am I the only one who sees the irony? Not a name on the article claiming authorship. Cowards by . on November 07 2012, 19:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it by David on November 07 2012, 22:05 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Greed Fighting for control of state resources,lack of ideologue only driven by greed we not idiots , come out of the shadows n b visible don't b cowards by Knowledge on November 07 2012, 22:06 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

What would inspire me Would be names like Mamphela Ramphele, Helen Zille, Johnathan Jansen, Lindiwe Mazibuko, Vusi Pikoli, Willmot James, Bonginkosi Madikizela by DM on November 07 2012, 22:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Hungry for Power Dangerous people trying to oust Zuma by Abel on November 07 2012, 22:32 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

This 'positive initiative' is just too much! A bunch of self-serving clowns and quite transparent too! My, but all these 'positive initiatives' are just getting a bit too much for ordinary Saffas. Hope they get rid of Zoomsie and his brothas and sistas in crime, though! But I do wonder if the likes . .more of Motlanthe wants to be associated with these half-brained twits? . .less by Courier on November 07 2012, 22:37 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

support of leadership mentioned i support the list, but zuma crue is running at branches munupulating and misrepresanting the anc in support for zuma by tsakane on November 07 2012, 22:50 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zuma is a joke zuma lack leadership skills we need young fresh brains to lead this country, your proposed top six still dominated by pensioners. by Sizwe on November 07 2012, 23:10 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

New faces For real change 2 hapn, nun of thos ppl shud b ther as theyv bn ineffectiv in their positionz...i mean Mbalula wantna bring Bey 4 R17mil,who wud dat hav benefitd? Thez ppl shudv provd emselvs whyl in their current positionz...da deputy pres shudv bn abl . .more 2bring abt a difrenc as da 2nd in command. . .less by Zama on November 07 2012, 23:17 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

You guys serious? For as long as you guys go on with this "National Democratic Revolution" horseshit I prefer Zuma to be in charge. At least then the ANC is SURE to implode. by martin on November 07 2012, 23:20 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Forces of Change Bring it on and let's see how strong and genuine are you-ANC is now perceived as a bunch of looters who have no insight about the plight of the poor and the promises made when needing votes.I do trust Thenjiwe she has been honest right through I am not . .more sure about the rest as it is 'what's in it for me trend in the ANC'You have dissapointed us in a big way-ANC solidarity and support has been killed-you have given a big chance to misguided groups who now think D.A is the saviour-people who genuinely know the struggle are planning not to vote and the PFP(DA)is looking at loopholes and to take over -Zemkiinkomo magwala ndini-what a waste of time you have subject us to-what mediocrity have you exposed us to-you should be ashamed if you have any consciences. . .less by Bonnie on November 07 2012, 23:50 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Not confident in this leadership With each and every passing day I ask myself who will rescue us from the ANC. For quite a long time I had confidence in Motlanthe as the future leader of this country but his "silent diplomacy" against South Africans leave much to be desired. There is a . .more platform now to contest Zuma openly but he is silent and diplomatic in his approach. You FOC needn't lobby for him if he was confident he could lead this country forward. Now he's keeping quiet because he knows that Zuma's A**-lickers still want him as a deputy. So instead of standing up and show a hand he's employing some underhand tactics so he could still be welcomed in the Zuma camp. . .less by Satirist on November 08 2012, 00:05 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

the above The above piece looks like one of those documents that a leader who has just conducted a coup tries to throw out to the people, promising the masses a brighter better future. Anyway there are lots of commy points in that whole manifesto. Since you didn't . .more even want to identify yourselves (although have a suspicion you are the EFF) what chance do you think you even have? If you really wanted to be a force for change try go and campaign where the masses are, the ANC supporters living in poverty, don't write your stuff on an web site for the chattering classes. I predict that if you do try go among the masses, the street fighting of 1920's Germany will be nothing like what will happen to you here. But don't let me discourage you, go and proclaim your anti Zuma charter in the middle of, shall we say, Nkandla, would be interesting to know what would happen-) . .less by multi85 on November 08 2012, 00:10 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

zuma Jz mast jst tap out.we dnt need a leader wu doesn't set an example by tsumbedzo on November 08 2012, 00:44 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

This is all about the battle for the control of state power to benefit a faction The top six proposed is weak and mischevious. It is laughable to see who they prefer for Deputy President and Secretary General. This slate thing is the one killiing the ANC,let the branches of the ANC decide. The proposed DP's political career was . .more rescued by JZ,he failed to provide leadership in MP province as a Premier and the proposed SG lacks maturity,he breeded the current crop of youth leaders who think they are above the ANC. He was also paratuded to seniority as a thank you for his role in dethroning the former president TM. This proposed leaders are part of the current leadership collective,if there is weaknesses or lack of leadership it means a vote of no confidence must passed against all of them including the current DP and TG as the leadership collective elected at the 52 National Conference, it means they failed and lack leadership and change means new leadership all together not promotion of a faction of the same leadership collective. . .less by Setla on November 08 2012, 03:23 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

FOC ( forces of change) Another bunch of spineless FOCKERS with empty promises from the ANC. The only real change will come once The DA is in power. by Jzee on November 08 2012, 04:19 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Kgalema is but change I don't understand how these folks think, how can they expect a man who can't even decide what he wants to now all of a sudden implement 6,8 & 16 in your wish list? Come on guys, wake up & realise that Motlanthe is but only a candidate to replace the . .more giggler at the helm. His role starts & end there. . .less by Change ? on November 08 2012, 05:07 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Arrest Zuma,Ramaphosa and Cosatu We need our freedom as workers .Zuma is saying if Obama did it why can't I did It for second term.He is thief supported by killer Ramaphosa and Cosatu Vavi. Compamies like is stll oppressing blacks and gave Cosatu shares.if you talk Ramaphosa can . .more instruct police to kill or dismiss you . .less by Ntwadumela on November 08 2012, 05:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Nonsense It's always good to read the findings of research once one has had full understanding of the methodology of the research.... Not to mention its object. The ANC leaders that appear on this list are in the main NEC members who have been part of the . .more collective lead by Zuma! Zuma's failure is by extension their own failure. Not so long ago we were critical of Mbeki and nominated his deputy to take over... Now it's Zuma's deputy set to take over from Zuma?! Einstein defines insanity as doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome. The only solution to this mess we find ourselves in is to change the age old tradition of the ANC that restricts members from campaigning for themselves individually. If we can do this, the members of the ANC can elect someone who has spoken and epitomised what a leader we want should be. So long as our leaders rely on factions to campaign for them, we'll always have this problem. . .less by Ntando Sangweni on November 08 2012, 06:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Have They agreed? I wonder if these leaders have said yes to their names being put up, I want to single out Thenjiwe, she s one of the most principled intelligent women and if you really are serious, what value will she add by just being a DSG, she was that years ago, she . .more has strong leadership skills, why pair her under Mbalula, he still has a lot to learn! Shouldnt it be the ither way round? It's these kind if things that Make me wonder what the real deal is,why aren't you advocating for a woman to be DP, it always has to be either chair or DSG, roles that are less significant in the top 6. If I were her, I would think you guys are joking, I wouldn't do it to avoid losing my credibility together with you guys! I am waiting to hear who of these leaders have agreed! I don't support Zuma but I smell an agenda here..... . .less by Neo on November 08 2012, 06:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Change is good As the youth of the country we need change. As much as we are supporters and voters of the ANC we are bound to donate our votes to other parties if the current leadership is retained. The ANC must give us quality leadership otherwise they will learn the . .more hard way come the general elections. . .less by Charley on November 08 2012, 06:47 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Why? Why can this band of merry men save the ANC? They have been an integral part of its incompetence all along. And have done nothing to identify, address or resolve corruption, incompetence, sloth and mismanagement. And somehow we are to believe . .more that they will do something now? No, the ANC is rotten throughout, and has not a moral fibre in its being. Never been, never will be! If there was truly one person with integrity, competence and hard work he or she would be shunned by the rest! And the idols with feet of clay like necklacing, Stompie-ing Winnie would never have existed! And someone less incompetent and corrupt than Zuma would be heading the ANC! . .less by Dinks on November 08 2012, 06:49 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

forces of change i wpresident Jacob Zuma to be re-elceted as the ANC president to protect the ANC.JZ is a good leader and with him ANC will be in a good hands.we must not allow position mongers to destroy the ANC. Viva JACOB ZUMA VIVA by Zumantashe on November 08 2012, 06:57 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Who Really Cares? Who really cares whether it's the current ANC scumbag or another ANC scumbag - they are all rotten, vile cretins who can't wait to insert their filthy snouts into the trough of public funds. It really makes no difference - However what will make a HUGE . .more difference is getting rid of the vile ANC entirely. . .less by Democrat on November 08 2012, 07:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

anti tribalism As someone who is not zulu speaking if Zuma wins DA gets my vote 2014 by kenny on November 08 2012, 07:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zuma Zuma should never have been there in the first place. He is not there for his vision or leadership abilities - he was merely a copromise tool for the anti Mbeki lobby/faction. He was always going to be "used". by Bokdrol on November 08 2012, 07:28 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

by David on November 07 2012, 22:05 I already mentioned it was a fakester. Were you the fakester? Do you see the irony in not using your full name? Do you see the irony that even if you use a name its not necessarily your true name? by . on November 08 2012, 07:48 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

motlhanthe Montlhanthe and his crew will take us back to the monster they have created Malema by TMan on November 08 2012, 07:49 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Change! The change we want, need and crave does not even include the ANC! by Paul C on November 08 2012, 07:52 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Changes that we need as south africans 2gether with ANC members I do suppot this men & women to take us forward. Coz under zuma leadership we lost western cape including cape town. Again DA is runing behind us all the time, if we get this ppl in power we will get mojority of voters & hve respected dicisions in . .more parlment including presdent's office whre by any dicision token by the current leader is alwalys token as unproper dicisions in court of law & during the time of process thy spent the south african money for their mastakes. We need change not later thn this year. . .less by Mashabela on November 08 2012, 08:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

and the circus Continue tltltltltlt by mzala on November 08 2012, 08:03 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

ZU-MA-NTASHE all the way LEAD ZUMA LEAD ZU-MA-NTASHE ALL THE WAY Forces of change call for changing ANC policies so that undesciplioned people can be re-instated in the lovely movement by ZU-MA-NTASHE on November 08 2012, 08:27 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

anc They just do not have the material, look at this motley crew. The only possible improvement is that Motlanthe is slightly more presentable than zuma. by wm on November 08 2012, 08:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Nonsense This is as good as forming another party. The youth league has lost it's relevance to the youth. by Veeeli on November 08 2012, 08:49 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Puzzling. This is definitely not written by the Yob League, though the mission is appropriately self serving there are too few spelling mistakes by DavidJ on November 08 2012, 09:07 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

MY Top six Mamphela Ramphele, Pallo Jordon, Joel Netshitenzhe, Mathew Phosa, Nkosazana Zuma and Trevor Manuel. This are credible and flawless leaders the intellectual minds to drive the ANC forward. well that is the dream team right there however anything but Zuma . .more will do for now . .less by Uncle0z on November 08 2012, 09:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

WE NEED CHANGE Safe this country. Othrwise ANC will loose general elections. Mangaung Zuma will win but after ANC will loose more votes to DA. by ZUNGU on November 08 2012, 09:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

What a load of codswallop You are trying to be all things to all men/women/inbetweeners while at the same time trying to maintain you are better than Zuma and his crowd. No you are not, you are and/or will be just bad. You just want your turn at the trough. ' PS Re your . .more comment on the DA encroaching on the ANC's support base, lets call a spade a spade, shall we. More and more people who were foolish enough to previously vote for the ANC have now realised how they were duped and are now either not voting or are voting for other parties. . .less by Altto on November 08 2012, 09:13 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

GHOST LEADERSHIP How do you expext us to support some people that do not speak for themselves.Up until Montlante,Mbalula etc come public that they are anti Zuma,that is when we'll support them.But for now,they are all cowards.They are afraid to loose their positions in . .more parliament in case Zuma emerge as a leader from Mangaung.As long as this crew is associated with the likes of Malema then i fully support ZUMA FOR SECOND TERM.Watch out for a new COPE2 after Mangaung . .less by LIMPOPO on November 08 2012, 09:29 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Bully David Bullard, have you been writting other people's press releases again this week. I didn't know you supported the Nationalisation of Mines and land expropriation without compensation - that is good news ! by The Clever Native on November 08 2012, 09:40 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Meet the FOC'ers Good branding, hey. by The Clever Native on November 08 2012, 09:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ Ntando You are 100% correct. The ANC is about collective leadership. There is nothing new that these guys will bring. If JZ has failed , they have failed with him because they are there and they should be supporting JZ in fullfilling the ANC's promise of . .more delieviring to the people of South Africa. If there is to be any change the whole TOP SIx should step aside, better still the whole NEC should step aside and let a new NEC take over. That would be real change. As for what you are doing now its tauntamount to pulling down the walls you have been sent to reinforce . .less by Nkuza on November 08 2012, 09:54 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Change is good! I have no doubt in my mind that change will be far better than what we currently have...With the proposed tried and tested cadres at the helm, I SUPPORT CHANGE. Jacob Zuma cannot lead, we must just acknowlegde that we made a mistake in polokwane. Change . .more is as good... . .less by Cuz on November 08 2012, 09:58 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Give others a chance, you bull%#^*@ed the masses. That coward Motlanthe was Zumas benchwarmer, and he is been there and did absolutely nothing. Go to your Mangaung Circus and elect that corrupt man you call a leader and bring DA closer by loosing votes. Go vote for Zuma and the South Africans will choose . .more the organisation to lead them by exercising their vote. . .less by Shakes on November 08 2012, 10:03 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Ceppwawu /Cosatu corruption The president of Ceppwawu under Cosatu Lukas Mashego wrote to Sasol Ceo David Constable an Email complaing about quality of toilet tissues at Sasol. He told selected shopsteward that this is an opportunity to eat Sasol money as Simon Mofokeng and Vavi s . .more wife will assist shopstewards to get a tissue supply tender to Sasol. He vowed to put Security and tissue supply under Ceppwawu and comrades including shopsterwards will benefit. We don't understand that while unions are fighting for better wages and transformation we should strike over supply of "Baby Soft Tissues " to Sasol hostels.What a shame to worker 's rights . .less by Ntombi on November 08 2012, 10:08 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

KwaDakwadunuse...What the hell is that The DA is waiting for the ANC's Mangaung Conference, and I'm sure if they elect the man from KwaDakwadunuse they will have all the reasons to celebrate. by Mfana on November 08 2012, 10:17 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Can we have Zuma out of ANC like Malema I am 100% ANC but should Zuma win Mangaung my vote goes to DA, i dont care if they are a white party or not, at least they are not so corrupt as the ANC and its JZ leader. How could i still vote for a non-interlect to lead me while i am better educated . .more than him. . .less by Mkhethwa on November 08 2012, 10:36 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Watch out S.A. Tribalism,Nepotism and Favouritism has destroyed the whole of Africa; from Kikuyu, Kilinjani and Luo all of Kenya to Hutus and the Tutsis of Rwanda now its the Xhosas, Zulus of South Africa and the Pedis are waiting for their turn. The husband and wife, . .more in-laws Cabinet didn't work in DRC, so we are sick and tired of the Nqakulas,Sisulus,Motsekgas, Mahlangus and others. If the ANC can't run this country there people who are willing and can do much better. . .less by Soni,M. on November 08 2012, 10:37 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

If u dont change, change will change u South Africa or Africa needs a younger president cause times have changed...All the older presidents dont want to share this chair...Africa needs a wise, younger leaders not old dictators to loot our country's economy... by Malema Disciple on November 08 2012, 10:58 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

100% ANC I am 100% ANC but should Zuma win Mangaung my vote goes to DA. by shakes on November 08 2012, 11:36 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Hopeless neither leadership change or Zuma stepping down will ever change anything as long as the country is still under the leadeship of the ANC. this party has messed up everything. we need real change. by Tebza B on November 08 2012, 11:44 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Anyone but zuma Let wings of change come . I am tired of the president who does not have it by Jazz on November 08 2012, 11:46 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The angry Ancestors The eastern cape chiefs say the Ancestors are unhappy with Zuma. Now King Goodwill Z says the spirts need to be appeased. There is a common thread here about the unhappy Spirts of the Ancesotors. The ANCestors must never be upset. What . .more have our new friends got to say about this in their change manifesto? . .less by Boogie Man on November 08 2012, 11:48 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Liberation Army "Cadres" The moment they say Cadres you understand that its just another Liobertaion Army by any other name with Liberation Army "Cadres" set in place to loot and steal versus qualified trustworthy people. but hell maybe there are no trustworthy brothers left . .more in Africa!! . .less by Learn from Africa to the north on November 08 2012, 11:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Change for what? Im crying for my mentor 'MR MBAKS" please mbalula get out there.those people "FOC" they do not have a direction intead they used by malema and his allies by Zake's on November 08 2012, 12:07 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Tribalist Where are the Ngunis here. President and the deputy from the same tribe and we have Sexwale and Thandi, this is rubbish by Power on November 08 2012, 13:21 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

away with zuma if zuma comes back from mangaung, then ANC will not come back from 2014 elections, and we need Joel Netshitshenge as deputy press or GS by mabitsi on November 08 2012, 13:21 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The List Point numbers 1&2. "Freedom Charter" note: no mention of constitution. Point Number 6. "cadres in business"......biased tender rigging for BBBBBBBEEEEEE Point number 16. "struggle for economic freedom" Whatever the hell that means..and (here we . .more go again) "Nationalisation of Mines and land expropriation without compensation"............So whats new.....who cares if we get rid of Zuma!! another misguided "economic freedom fighter" will take his place. Without education we cannot stop this country from sliding into that dark place close to hell. . .less by Velvet Underground on November 08 2012, 13:40 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

LETS DESTROY CORRUPT DEMAGOURGES WE WANT TO STATE IT CLEARLY THAT WE ARE NOT INTIMIDATED BY SENSELESS WEBSITES- WE BELIEVE THAT ANYONE CAN LAUNCH HIS/HER WON WEBSITE ANYTIME- THOSE WHO WANT TO CHALLENGE US WE WILL MEET IN MANGAUNG--- WE CANNOT ALLOW THE COUNTRY TO BE RUN BY THUGS WHO . .more PUSH THIER OWN AGENDAS USING THE POOR--- WE BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT JACOB ZUMA IS THE LEADER WHO CAN LEAD US TOWARD 2014 ELECTIONS--- AS WE ARE SPEAKING BRANCHES ARE BUSY NOMINATING JACOB ZUMA AND COLLECTIVE--- U CANT BE TALKING TOO MUCH ON WEBSITES-- GO TO BRANCHES AND LOBBY-- RENA RE TSHWERE FASE--- A RE TSHOSHE KE DI WEBSITENYANA TSA GO SE RE SELO... RE RE PHINDA MSHOLOZI PHINDA--- FROM ANC MEMBER: Mankweng(Turfloop) . .less by ZUMA FORCE on November 08 2012, 15:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

nightmare I had a nightmare that zuma is going to win in mangaung and i told myself i will support anybody who will stand up against zuma by Littlemore on November 08 2012, 15:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The ANC already has a succession plan Moshanthe will take over from Zuma after he completes his second term - all the rest of the waffle is just a smokescreen. by Lyndall Beddy on November 08 2012, 15:37 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Zuma must GO I never liked Zuma from the outset. I refused to vote for the ANC when this man became president and my vote wil not go to the ANC if he is still president and one thing for certain more people will join me this time around. It is disturbing that people . .more see hope under Zuma's leadership. The future of this country has become so bleak. i had people who have been out of jobs for more than 2 year and find it difficult to go to the market. I pray God remembers us. We are in a serious mess. . .less by Siyanda on November 08 2012, 19:14 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

BIG JOKE These guys in this page are all a joke. A mixture of cowards and looters. We want nomore slates. Those who have no power to compile slates must choose own leaders across the political spectrum. by eli on November 08 2012, 20:02 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Who would have believed this! We have followed the road to ruin that all the other African States took. We did not even bother to learn from their mistakes. Sobbing :( by Zinzi on November 08 2012, 20:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Change with vision is good Looks like those in favour of the chief looter are refusing to see the light, Zuma doesn't care about ANC nor South Africa, all he cares about is his pocket. Having old Zuma as a leader is just pure subtraction of ANC votes. Time for younger leaders, the . .more likes of Paul Mashatile, Kgoshientsho Ramokgopa, Travor Manuel, Lindiwe Sisulu. . .less by Khutso on November 08 2012, 21:01 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

forces of change I'm just worried about the opposing panel if they will really stand, because as far as ANC is concern those five comrades didn't openly accept the nomination yet, but the this FOC is pushing it's own agenda and convice them it is clear we will be seing . .more some members goes like those of COPE and shortly suffer politically out there. We are aware of the litlle remaining of the COPE in the ANC and the little frustrated and confused of Julius Malema. So this website is the symptom of old existing cancer amongst rich individuals,who tried and tested ANC long time ago with no succsess we remain strong in the ANC from Mangaung we will start the cleaning compaign internally. . .less by Mgababa Capitalist on November 09 2012, 02:29 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@ Zinzi Of course we have landed up in exactly the same state as the rest of Africa. This New ANC followed exactly the same lethal capitalism for the chiefs, and communism for the people toxic Pan Africanist mythology! by Lyndall Beddy on November 09 2012, 10:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Forces of Change I think this is an excellent strategy to oust JZ, i am also for the change and i am an ANCYL member. So i am actually grateful that there are more clever people out there who can come up with such innovative method to make sure JZ is out. Viva Forces of . .more Change Viva!!!!!! This is what i call Politics . .less by Maphusasa on November 12 2012, 07:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Death before Birth Trully ur campaign has died way before taking of. Tried and tested leaders??? Motlantes oil gate scandal??? U can't be serious. by Mandlenkosi Radebe on November 13 2012, 19:55 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Change change ASJiKI Those who are blinded by what so ever that they gaining from resisting this change will be shocked by Mangaung and new leadership. You will see people forming ZUanc resisting change and that leads to a disaster. Sience, Moment of initia change of . .more direction in high speed will throw you outside the window. Zuma must go without resistance its enough we need fresh ideas and think of future for our kids. We can't tolarate what we are seeing in the ANC and government. Under his leadership members of the ANC r looking or going to the ANC not the ANC going to the ppl. Ouu Lord help us.. . .less by Monwai M on November 17 2012, 22:57 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Ethical Leadership The ANC has chosen an easy way to deal with the most difficult issues facing our country. In dealing with both economic and social disparities one needs to employ clear goals and reasonable time framed strategy. I believe having the latter must supersede . .more the champions " Leader' nomination. I have recently observed with fear the need to acquire economic freedom by the African population, in most cases land is seen as the tool for achieving this. Malibuye Izweluthu . .less by 'Malibuye Izwelethu' on November 21 2012, 09:25 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Financial Freedom It would be good to clearly define what Economic Freedom means to different people. Does it mean BEE, Land or living a fleshy life style? What it is Economic Freedom in simple terms? by 'Malibuye Izwelethu' on November 21 2012, 10:45 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Tribalism The Anc all along has been choosing people because of what they can deliver, but now what South Africa is going to see is another Zimbabwe whereby a President is chosen on tribal grounds even if he does not care for the poor, is enriching himself and is . .more building bunkers as if we are anticipating war in South Africa. . .less by Snag on December 01 2012, 18:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

ANC leadershiis not a joke, therefore it cant be individualized. The so-called forces of change was a group of unpopular populists who were seeking attention to popularize themselves. They were not only populist but also some strata. As the ANC members they are fully entitled to hold their own different views from but . .more also to be discipline too and obey the leaders of the ANC. But what they stood for had failed but they didn't. Fail as individuals but as that grouping of strata. . .less by Masixole Ntunguntwana on March 02 2013, 07:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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