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I won't be accepting DA membership on Monday - Mamphela Ramphele

Mamphela Ramphele
31 January 2014

DA Presidential Candidate says the "joint statement" issued by the DA is not correct, nor did she agree to it

Mamphela responds to claims today

Dear Citizens,

You may have by now seen "joint" statements issued by the Democratic Alliance (DA) in which it is claimed that I will be accepting DA membership on Monday.

This is not true. Nor did I agree to any such statement.

It is Agang SA's position that the technical committee must first complete its work.

I am leader of Agang SA, and Agang SA will continue its work to restore the promise of our freedom. We will continue to campaign for a better South Africa.

The commitments I made to Agang SA members of Gauteng, Mpumalanga, Free State, Kwazulu Natal, Limpopo and this morning the members of the Western Cape, stand. And I will continue to speak with all of our structures.

I remain committed to working with citizens across the country as we continue our work.

- Mamphela Ramphele

Statement issued by Agang SA, January 31 2014

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LOL! Consistently inconsistent!
She did not kiss Helen Zille. Nor did she not not kiss Helen Zille.

by Brett on January 31 2014, 20:22
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Don't consummate this desperate marriage...
Just call it off and finish what you started with Agang. It will fail, but so what...

by . on January 31 2014, 20:23
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Don't you just love politics...
It would be a joke if there wasn't so much at stake. Senior DA office bearer's must be running around like headless chickens.

by wendy on January 31 2014, 20:37
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What statement?
There is no statement, joint or otherwise, from the DA stating that Dr Ramphele will be accepting membership on Monday. The statement I have seen says "The DA will formally welcome Dr Ramphele and members of Agang SA" - a formal welcome is a courtesy, not . .more

by Puzzled on January 31 2014, 20:42
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RW Johnson was right
This is turning out to be truly farcical. Clearly, MR has no intentions of dissolving Agang and taking it off the ballot paper. So, come election day, DA voters see her face on the ballot paper against Agang's name, but nevertheless think she is their . .more

by Robin on January 31 2014, 20:51
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B-grade political movie.
Eish. Confusing confusion of the confused.

by Dr. Gomolemo Mokae's cousin in Ga-Rankuwa. on January 31 2014, 20:54
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let's have some honesty here
Zille must of course now resign. She cannot do otherwise to protect her integrity.
Yes all the ANC politicsweb trolls will be loving this and they are entitled to but their giggling and back slapping disguises their moral depravity so not too much to . .more

by Pangolin on January 31 2014, 21:01
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@by Robin on January 31 2014, 20:51
Agreed. These DA and Agang people make the ANC look goooooood...will the DA and Agang ever be able to raise issues of inefficiency and incompetence against ANC Governance without everyone sniggering and laughing? I doubt it...

Perhaps after the . .more

by . on January 31 2014, 21:03
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Is poor quality 'crystal-meth' the cause of the problem Helen??

I am voting for the EFF out of protest at the DA's idiocy.

At least, you can go by what Julius Malems says and does!

by Roy Allen. on January 31 2014, 21:04
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@ Robin
All MR Is saying here is that she will not be accepting membership of the DA until the technical committee has completed its work. A simple misunderstanding is no cause for hysteria!

by cool head on January 31 2014, 21:10
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@ Rhampele
You of course will not resign because that is not the A**********.
But, madam, you are spoilt goods.
Your statement carries no element of "leadership" whatsoever even though you make haste to claim some sort of leadership.
Madam you do not . .more

by Pangolin (part 2) on January 31 2014, 21:11
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@cool head
If you really believe that MR's petulant statement is the result of a "simple misunderstanding" then the only thing that can be said of your head is that it is not screwed on straight. To have this kind of profound confusion and double-speak so early on . .more

by Robin on January 31 2014, 21:21
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Read with care
If you read the so called joint statement and then read the petulant bit of posturing above, you can only come to one conclusion....DA supporters are being mislead. The question is by whom.

Senior "leadership" within the DA have completely and . .more

by DA Supporter on January 31 2014, 21:53
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@by DA Supporter on January 31 2014, 21:53
Lindiwe is that you? Why so coy?

by . on January 31 2014, 21:58
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The Plot Thickens
So Doc, how do you accept a position in the DA as presidential candidate without becoming a DA member?Are you negotiating a bigger pay package?

by Rock Rabbit on January 31 2014, 22:05
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@.
Helen Zillle and Wilmot James worked closely with Mamphela at UCT. Surely they know what she's all about. Surely they should have foreseen this turn of events. What do they have to say for themselves?

by Diamond on January 31 2014, 22:18
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@ Diamond
Helen Zille has said on twitter that every word of the joint statement was agreed between Wilmot James, Mamphela Ramphele and a 3rd person.

Remember that there was a fake twitter page set up to impersonate the AgangSA spokesman, Thabo Leshilo. . .more

by Another DA supporter on January 31 2014, 22:39
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@Another DA supporter
On the contrary, everything we've learnt about Dr Ramphele over the past few days suggests that she's bound to do whatever she likes. She feels answerable to no-one. She couldn't care less about the "potential damage" to her "longstanding friend", or . .more

by Diamond on January 31 2014, 22:59
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Intepreter
Thamsanqa Jantjie be like "I can interpret this whole thing if you forget that Nelson mandela memorial misunderstanding"

by Lungi Mtshali on January 31 2014, 23:05
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Helen Zille is a school teacher, naive and egotistic.
She has been completely outplayed. Ramphela has now got her revenge and Zille is left picking up the pieces. She needs a new presidential candidate who surely should be a DA member for at least a few years. How dumb she has been, dumb to employ someone . .more

by Foolish Naive Dumb Zille on January 31 2014, 23:07
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And a bee spoilt arrogant failed black woman fails again
Bad track record, speak to uct staff about her, what the blazes was Helen thinking.
Why would anyone want an unreliable untrustworthy president. We already have one.

by Helen fails again on January 31 2014, 23:10
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*sigh*
It's hopeless, the doc is confused. Trust me even she doesn't know what she is up to. It was better when she was only an academic, as a politician she's nothing short of a joke, Agang is a circus, unfortunately the circus might spread over to the DA, bad . .more

by Sbonelo on January 31 2014, 23:13
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@ Diamond
Do know Dr Ramphele personally, or are you judging her according to what others say? If so, who have you been listening to? I may be wrong but I would be shocked to my core if Helen Zille misjudged the character of someone she has known very well for . .more

by Amother DA Supporter on January 31 2014, 23:15
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@ Another DA supporter
I don't doubt for a second that Helen Zille is probably usually a pretty shrewd judge of character. But even good judges can make bad decisions when confronted with complex circumstances. And as for Ramphele, is it not abundantly obvious that she has . .more

by Diamond on January 31 2014, 23:47
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who is fooling who
I have no doubt that age has caught up with her...

by poor old lady on February 01 2014, 04:47
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hold your horses and dont panic.stop the hysteria.
it looks like mamphela here is trying to reassure her membership that their being welcomed on monday by DA is not part of the intergration into DA which will happen only after the technical committee has finished its work, possibly after 2 weeks.Agang . .more

by vulindlema mamgombozi on February 01 2014, 07:32
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ha ha ha ha...
I'm a simple man but this is what I call being dump... ANC we will be forever be with you, until Jesus comes....

by Khan on February 01 2014, 08:19
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All Hands to the Pumps
Agang is going down, and it seems determined to take the DA down with them.
DA leadership must immediately annul the premature marriage, cut MR loose, and the serial blunderers Helen and Wilmot must resign their positions in the DA.
Then let's . .more

by Questor on February 01 2014, 08:27
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voting
Helen has more integrity than most - no all of the anc elite. (she will not vote for corruption) If there are some of you say you will now vote anc or eff because of misunderstandings or whatever it means you are supporting the corruption and theft . .more

by Gaina on February 01 2014, 08:30
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Sadly ,
there seems to be no remotly competent political party around that could be at least considered by a thinking white , productive , law abiding and tax revenue producing
person. To look at South African politics is similar to looking into a sewage . .more

by Walter on February 01 2014, 10:00
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useless Agang
The DA made a mistake with this women,we must distance ourseves from her, she was proberbly sent by the ANC to do this,please Zillie come out say we made a mistake and lets win on our own

by jimmi on February 01 2014, 10:19
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MR
She needs to go...

by DA Youth Member on February 01 2014, 10:24
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So I found time to watch the video link...
The first thing that struck me when watching it, is who is the intended audience? (It's in English). So I went to the Agang website and it's also all in English... surely it would be far better to have multiple languages that appeal to ruralitarians and . .more

by . on February 01 2014, 11:11
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@ Vulindlema Mamgomgozi
I agree that this seems more like an assurance to her AgangSA members who may read the DA's joint statement to mean that the merger (if that is on the cards) will formally take place on Monday as opposed to after completion of the work by the technical . .more

by Cool Head on February 01 2014, 12:12
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@by Cool Head on February 01 2014, 12:12
She was the same person then as now, only some observers are more objective than others and don't allow personal beliefs and ideologies cloud good judgment...

by . on February 01 2014, 12:40
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This is not going to work...
..and it just bad for both parties, in particular the DA. They essentially publicly admitted to not having a person with presidential credentials within their ranks. Agang, and in particular Dr Ramphele, come across as highly ambitious political dwarfs . .more

by Just Me. on February 01 2014, 13:34
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@dot...
....so, to be clear....in your opinion sa only needs one party (the anc) and no others?...a one party state?....simple question......

by onlooker on February 01 2014, 13:35
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@ .
Yes, I would expect an apologist for the ANC's corruption would have an objective opinion of Dr Ramphele's character.

by cool head on February 01 2014, 13:56
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@by onlooker on February 01 2014, 13:35
No. South Africa needs multiple parties for democracy to work. What is needed is an effective opposition party. The only way that SA will have an effective opposition to the ANC is to have a labour leftish political party that appeals to the SA . .more

by . on February 01 2014, 14:01
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i like cool heads input.very positive and reassuring.
for those who are yearning for a real broad nonracial alternative to the monster that is the ANC,let us wait for the press conference and the programmes to be launched in the next two weeks.i hope the leaders of both Agang and DA will take note how much . .more

by vusinkunzi umfana on February 01 2014, 14:04
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@by cool head on February 01 2014, 13:56
Firstly, I am not an apologist for corruption, ANC, DA, Agang or any other.

Second, recent events show that my original opinion was indeed correct. She is just not politically savvy.

This may make you feel uncomfortable, but recent . .more

by . on February 01 2014, 14:06
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forward to the merger of DA and Agang
and I hope a new name will be adopted for this amalgamation of these two entities more so that the democratic alliances name reflects that disastrous marriage with Marthinus Van Schalkwyk who is now the arch backer of the ANC.The new name should be I . .more

by velaudunuze on February 01 2014, 14:43
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TRUST
Will South Africans trust Mamphela Ramphele if her word is not her word?

by my word is not my word on February 01 2014, 14:52
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@ .
Did I say that you were an ANC apologist? But if the shoe fits...

With regard to just how dysfunctional and out of touch the DA is with the citizens of this country:

"When it comes to the cost of basic service packages including . .more

by Cool Head on February 01 2014, 14:54
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@by Cool Head on February 01 2014, 14:54
You implied I was an ANC apologist. Was I wrong that you intended to make such an implication?

I'm aware that some have been claiming the DA is attempting to buy votes by delivering electricity and water at a cheaper rate to the poorest . .more

by . on February 01 2014, 15:46
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@vela
Another nice name is THE SOUTH AFRICAN DEMOCRATS OR MAYBE PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATIC CITIZENS of south africa.I guess all of this will happen after the elections as Wilmot James has said.

by Abe on February 01 2014, 15:55
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@ .
The SCFR is just one report, but there are several other independent organisations that have found that the Western Cape has the best service delivery to the poor. For example, in 2013 the National Dept of Water Affairs reported that the WC delivers the . .more

by Cool Head on February 01 2014, 16:08
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@by Cool Head on February 01 2014, 16:08
What about the AG report?

He said that out of South Africa’s 278 municipalities, only nine had clean audits, with three of these in the Democratic Alliance-run Western Cape having improved to clean audit status. One was led to believe that the WC . .more

by . on February 01 2014, 16:49
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@ fullstop
24 January 2014

This week, the DA-run Western Cape Government released the outcome of its municipal audits.

The audit revealed that the 30 municipalities in the province, 22 of which are DA-run, received their best municipal audit . .more

by voter on February 01 2014, 17:27
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@by voter on February 01 2014, 17:27
The consolidated municipal audit outcomes are public. They are placed on the AG website...

www.agsa.co.za/Documents/Auditreports.aspx

by . on February 01 2014, 17:31
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@dot...
....ah, I see....two party state made up of a split in the anc factions.....the fact that there are 11 official languages (that represent "minority interests").....is irrelevant....you just want an anc sa as I asked......hahaha....you are a racist anc . .more

by onlooker on February 01 2014, 18:29
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@by onlooker on February 01 2014, 18:29
Nope. Wrong again. In order for democracy to flourish, there must be choice. Currently, the majority clearly believe there is no choice. Viable options have to exist. DA, Agang, FF+, COPE, EFF are clearly not seen as viable options. They represent at best . .more

by . on February 01 2014, 18:35
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@ .
The Bdlive article you reference also states the following:

"Clean audits have remained at the low level of 5% for the past three years, and the overall audit outcomes regressed, as 41 auditees improved, but 51 auditees regressed" - Mr . .more

by cool head on February 01 2014, 18:36
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Helen Zille is way out of her depth...
A self interested megalomaniac who managed to get the white Indian coloured vote and is now proceeding to lose these gains as she has made a monumental mistake. Clearly she has to go as must other DA people who supported this most ridiculous notion. Just . .more

by Ferdie on February 01 2014, 18:50
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@ Ferdie
Lol, good one! Do you honestly expect DA supporters to commit political suicide by handing over to the ANC? Thinking people understand that we need a strong and united opposition to stop this country sliding down into the abyss, and we will continue to . .more

by cool head on February 01 2014, 19:21
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Cde . open your fat mouth when the DA spend R1,5bn
on a road to Zille's private residence. Your exaggerated comparisons while highly amusing are specious.

by Brett on February 01 2014, 19:32
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Holy S***! cool head on January 31 2014, 21:10
The entire DA leadership has been interning with Cde Mac?

by Brett on February 01 2014, 19:34
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@by cool head on February 01 2014, 18:36
well of course they would, they built on the foundation established by the ANC when it was running the province...just look at the huge improvements in all the other provinces, things are getting better.

by . on February 01 2014, 19:39
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@by Brett on February 01 2014, 19:32
It would be unlikely that Zille has any intent to economically grow rural locations, spatial planning is not her forte, neither is judgment and communication given recent events...

by . on February 01 2014, 19:41
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Abdicating her role as the face of DA elections is admission of failure by Zille
I cant imagine Zille asking for another term in office as DA leader when she cant lead her party to elections this time around.And the reasons given is that her white face is a handicap.Therefore neither Sandra Botha or any other white face is eligible to . .more

by Robin Wood on February 01 2014, 20:50
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continued - Zille and Mamphela
But if Mamphela does well and takes over leadership of the DA her role will be to strengthen the party and make it ready for take over of power much later in 2024 at which time the likes of mazibuko will be ready to take over the party for presidential . .more

by Robin Wood on February 01 2014, 22:32
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@ Robin Wood
Sir,
may I remind you that in politics, a week is a long time.
Your scenario planning fails at the first week-end.

by Pangolin on February 01 2014, 22:44
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Ramphela
Suddenly you found out you have a few followers and they wanted to know what you were planning to do. Now you are jumping around like a cat on a hot tin roof. It seems you are not to be trusted. Was your intention to destroy Helen Zilla, one of the few . .more

by Gaina on February 02 2014, 07:58
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Condusion
This woman is a agent of the ANC planted to sow confusion in the DA...only logical explanation for this mess

by Pieter groenewald on February 02 2014, 08:20
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Second Time Around
Once the diaper has been soiled, it is not used again and again and agang. I now feel dirty and used. Should never have voted "Yes"

by Daniel on February 02 2014, 08:34
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P
Just another useless parasite - get rid of her Helen and hopefully you have now learnt your lesson.

by Misanthrope on February 02 2014, 09:43
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Who and what changed the status quo????
The question to be asked is........ what has changed between when the agreement between Mampara Ramphele and Helen Zille was finalised and now? It is known that Agang had run out of money and that the organisation was fading into obscurity. Follow the . .more

by wendy on February 02 2014, 10:53
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And the new parties name is...
Of course the obvious name for the 'amalgamation' would indeed be indicative of its necessary nature; DA-Gang. Hopefully matching in name as well as spirit the gang of thieves and liars that it opposes.

by Martin_tu on February 02 2014, 12:20
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I bet
if Boozuma made a proposal of marriage to Rhampele she would accept it.
But we should not worry, Boozuma likes his women fitting the "before" ad for weight watchers.
And Rhampele has to run around in the shower to get wet.
The point I am . .more

by Pangolin on February 02 2014, 19:03
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Ramaphele
While many of us are nor surprised that after all the nonsense that this woman has repeatedly spoken about the DA, they could still rent her black face. The DA is doing fine and winning ground, why does the powers that be want to mess that up Ramaphele is . .more

by South African Liberal on February 02 2014, 23:03
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There's always hope
Maybe JZ is in the market for another concubine

by fred on February 03 2014, 02:29
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Egg on face & scoundrels
Sure the DA leadership has some egg on the face, but the real scoundrel in the play is Ramaphele. Who in their right mind will vote Agang after this.

by Bokdrol on February 03 2014, 05:16
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Egos and personalities
The whole fuss is about egos and personalities and frustrated DA supporters like Pangolin. In the process who would you like to govern your city, province and country - the DA or ANC? Who would be the better president Zille or Zuma, Now eat your breakfast . .more

by Mpugi on February 03 2014, 05:22
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@Mpugi
Zille and Zuma do not even belong in the same room. Give me Zille any day. Pity she is not black.

by Sarel on February 03 2014, 05:24
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Logic?
So a leader makes one mistake and then must resign? What about all the good Zille has done? And you forget that the BEE fiasco was on Mazibuko's watch where Zille should not have had to get involved. Did you call for Mazibuko's resignation? Zille may not . .more

by @Pangolin on February 03 2014, 07:03
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political void
The existing political parties are ALL radical left to centre left. Not one of them could be said to be non-racial or have the necessary expertise and knowledge to run a country's economy and infrastructure. The DA do better than the ANC in that area but . .more

by wendy on February 03 2014, 08:57
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Joke
Yes, I am a liar and I cannot be trusted. I was just kidding during the joint press conference with the DA last week. Did it work? Will I win? All I want is to be president. Please SA. I know I'm dumb and selfish and arrogant and inconsistent but I . .more

by Mamphela on February 03 2014, 09:11
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Dr R
Do you have a proper plan and launching platform in place to make a difference?

Whatever you do, just go out and make that difference because the country is going down the drain and as you know, drains are no longer working in SA.

by Lolla on February 03 2014, 09:36
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of course
ill bet my bottom dollar, Pangolin is no DA supporter, frustrated or otherwise. He or she is a either a paid ANC troll or a fool, and probably both. Calling for her resignation, laughable. The ANC would love Hellen to resign, and it would be the worst . .more

by Leon on February 03 2014, 10:10
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AA Presidential Candidates
Lets hope we never try this with anyone else now the Mam Ramp catastrophe has occurred.

by DavidJ on February 03 2014, 11:00
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@Pieter Groenewald
Pieter, I would like to believe your allegation but, unfortunately, I don't!
The DA has made the blunder which has never heard of before. How could Zille and Co accept a stranger from the street and offer her the most senior position in the . .more

by Bruce on February 03 2014, 11:12
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`BREAKING NEWS
King Buyelekhaya Dalindyebo has just be unveiled as the DA presidential candidate.

How appropriate. From now on the DA will confirmed as the (D)agga (A)ddicted party with it's slogan being: '' HOW BLUE CAN YOU GET?''.

LMAO

by Patrick Sekoe on February 03 2014, 11:55
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@DavidJ
Please, don't try this at home!!!

by Mark on February 03 2014, 13:13
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Mind blowing

Shame the poor woman has lost it.

Don't know how she managed banks and unversities.

There are so many black South Africans who are going to vote DA this time, so don't loose too much sleep over it.

by Gift on February 03 2014, 16:59
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Quickly realising which side of her bread her support based was on.
She surely cannot survive this! Surely this is the funniest, slipperiest thing that has happened in SA political for a while? How do you face your former supporters after a betrayal like this? What kind of a dance do you need to perform? Hilarious to . .more

by Acid Mind on February 03 2014, 17:07
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Trusting an opportunist
Wilmot and Helen, this is what happens when you try to manipulate the party, it's procession and selection, just to bring your friends in to privilege
This is what happens when you side-line deserving candidates, who could bring real value to the . .more

by South African Liberal on February 03 2014, 19:12
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Ramaphele
You are not worthy of DA membership. You are not even worthy of the Zille's friendship.
Because she idolises you, she risks the party - that is not a calculated risk. That is being reckless

by South African Liberal on February 03 2014, 21:19
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